Trump Youth Taunt Native American Elder

This is just weird logic to me. It appeared in the South Africa thread, too. The fact that they fought wars with each other means genociding them and taking their land is OK? I really dont understand this at all. I don't understand how one follows from the other.

That is a pretty low bar and basically means all historical genocides that I can think of are morally justified and in the future genociding almost any human society is cool, too.

Very specifically that would include the American society given all the wars we fight, so you've just justified OBL and team ISIS.

While were at it, you've just solved the immigration crisis. Drop some germ warfare agents on Mexico, invade, and build a manageable wall across the narrowest point through Oaxaca and Verecruz.

Also, have you read the Old Testament? Those Jews certainly like to fight. Look at the way they glorify those warmongers David and Sampson. Go team Hitler. You do know that the way Americans cleared out the native tribes influenced the idea of Lebensraum, right?

Inner city violence? Kill the black people and and look at all the land for Donny to develop new golf courses!

My guess is you are scandalized by the idea that some sort of popular mythology about peaceful Indians turns out to not be true, but I don't think anybody knowledgable ever believed that romantic BS in the first place. And I still don't see how "therefore committing genocide and stealing their land" follows from that.

 

Again... where are the parents, chaperones, or school officials that pulled these stupid kids aside and said.... yeah... I get you don't think you are doing blackface, but you are doing blackface & this is tone deaf.

My biggest conclusion about these kids, this school, and this community in Kentucky is that they let they have a culture of entitled brats who have no concept of reality outside their bubble.

This isn't just a Kentucky problem either. Here in Houston we have bubble suburban towns that would do the same thing, and treat their high school boys with the same sense of entitlement & lack of cultural awareness. (cough cough.... Friendswood... The Woodlands....)

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Other take-away is the other group, Black Israelites I think they are called, surely has blame in instigating these brats. Calling them names, and such was stupid. Its exactly what guys like this love in their online & bubble reality of victimization.

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Haven't seen anything that makes me point direct blame at the elder. If it was me, and my "Bros" partying it up at the capital, and a Native American Elder walked through our group, WE WOULD GET OUT OF HIS WAY, and show some respect.

 

I don’t consider stopping five feet away from a crowd of high school kids, in a public area, and singing and beating a sacred drum as “disrespect”. That’s just me.

I guess I think showing respect to an old man engaging in a peaceful political march is more important than not “disturbing” a bunch of high school kids waiting for their bus.

 

Really? Its pretty clear that the high school students were acting disrespectfully towards Mr. Phillips. The videos show them jumping up and down doing their version of the "warrior war dance", doing the "tomahawk" It seems the point of dispute is whether they were simply "boys being boys" or just being silly... or whether a reasonable person would find their behavior offensive.

I know if someone did that to my late grandmother I would have been offended. And if one of my daughters mocked someone on a school field trip I would have been offended and embarrassed.

 

I get that. But how quickly do you expect them to react in the “correct” way when something unexpected happens? My point really is simply that there’s plenty of blame to go around.

 

I disagree. I do not agree that it’s “pretty clear that the high school students were acting disrespectfully towards Mr. Phillips.”

 

Philips and his group deserve no respect, they have proven to be liars and on top of that sought to join in with a hate group in attacking a group of children on the basis of the color of their skin and the hats they were wearing. They pushed into their group and hurled racist rhetoric at them.

The ONLY reason that our friends on the left feel they have to support the 2 racist groups is due to the hats the kids were wearing, the Trump Derangement Syndrome really does run that deep......well I shouldn't say "only" I'm sure some of our friends on the left are disgusting racists just like the 2 groups that harassed the children waiting for their bus.

 

So... now your argument shifts from "the covington school students didn't do anything disrespectful or offensive towards Mr. Phillips to "its OK they acted in an offensive manner, since Mr. Phillips was drumming in a traditional Native American way and "drew first blood" was "in their grill"? Interesting you also want to introduce that Mr. Phillips drew first blood since he knew they were from a Catholic school.

Or perhaps you think I am being disrespectful to the students Catholicism? I only mentioned it since the school itself mentioned the behavior was opposed to the teaching of the Catholic Church (or any religious teachings for that matter).

I teach Sunday School at our church and I would be shocked and disappointed if any students in my class acted that way. I would have pulled the student aside, and asked them to apologize. Then hoped to create a dialog so that both sides would have a better understanding of each other.

 

well guess we're getting close to the FULL story...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fuller-video-casts-light-covington-043042380.html

 

probably doing blackface at a raiders game

Spoiler

You realize nobody cared about those kids at the bball game until the Carl Herreras of the world desperately wanted to try to cover up for their mistake?

 

Sure. I just think that when a bunch of high school kids are going as a group to a place of cultural/political significance like the various monuments in Washington, D.C., they should have been cautioned by their chaperones or school admins on how to conduct themselves so as not to offend others (even if that's not their intention).

 

Well, we have a fundamental disagreement about what is disrespectful behavior which may influence are politics... or our politics may influence what we believe is disrespectful behavior.

 

I think when you get to the point where you are defending the use of "blackface" to support your position... you may want to rethink your position.

 

Absolutely, the children should have known that if you go to DC you'll have racist rhetoric hurled at you by a hate group and an indigenous group....but if you smile at them while they are doing it, well that's just acting like an *******.

I'm glad we could have this high level of analysis from a clearly unbiased poster. You've greatly added value to this board first by posting the fake news to begin with and now by attacking the victims.

 

I'm just going to say it again. This whole issue is a big series of overreactions and counter-overreactions to the kind of minor issues that teachers dealt with on every high school trip I ever went on when I was that age.

Chaparones are essentially constantly riding herd on and reigning in kids who are constantly causing mischief. Every high school trip I went on the chaparones literally spent every moment in public trying to keep this kind of thing from happening. I would say the chaparones failed, but that job is about as difficult as trying to dam up a river with only your hands.

Waiting for busses on the steps of a public memorial in DC during a protest was definately a major failure of planning on the schools part. Whomever it was that planned this failed. ANY situation where you put kids in that environment is a disaster waiting to happen, like a toaster on the edge of a full bathtub. Kids that age have no ability to avoid being goaded into reacting.

The MAGA hat and media coverage turned this into a cultural proxy war that had nothing to do with the kids. From my perspective without people jumping in to try to say essentially the kids should be proud of how they acted, this issue is forgotten by now. My issue in this is with other adults who have nothing to do with the school, not the kids.

 

honestly now I have no idea what you're saying here.

this makes no sense to me. although I'm glad your Sunday school class is so well behaved

this makes sense to me

 

Thats cute.

You want to tell me that if this guy took off all his Raiders gear, and was just walking around with all black on, and his face painted black, it wouldn't get odd looks or accidentally offend someone?

I don't know what kind of bubble you live in to make you not realize this, but anytime a white person paints their face black, there should be a lightbulb that goes off that makes you wonder if people could get offended if they think I'm doing blackface.

Saying that "nobody cared about the bball game' isn't true IMO cause it just shows more evidence of the bubble this community lives in where they boys like this just do this kind of dumb stuff. I can say that because of the Houston upper middle class suburban city that I grew up in where this type of tone deaf crap would and did happen all the time where the high school football team of white boys with big trucks walked on water, and were treated like royalty.

This stuff is striking to me because it could very well have been the high school I went to after my parents moved us to this type of town in the Houston area after my sophomore year of High School. I played on that high school varsity football team.

 

I can’t tell if you’re joking. Here’s a sourced and detailed list for you to browse when you have a few days to kill: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/