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Trump Youth Taunt Native American Elder

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Well that's sort of what I'm saying. I went to a really diverse school and if 2 racist groups were going at them like that calling them the things they did, it would have been ugly. That's why I think the kids should be commended for not going to immature route and giving them the beat down they so very much deserved.

    I actually think it's good that your kid would have simply walked off and I can't criticize that decision at all just as I wouldn't criticize them if they simply stayed there with their friends and ignored the racists.

    I'm sure you think so.

    As to what I said, it's completely accurate even if it gives you or anyone else a sad. The "native" population of North America did very little with their time compared to nearly every other people on the planet and never advancing beyond where they did is why they couldn't hold on to the land they were living on, that's just how it goes. You don't have to like the history for it to be the history.

    Also, it's not that you "dominate my mind and thoughts", it's just that on this board when someone asks about posters with a laughable grasp of history that is a race baiter, your name is first on the list for obvious reasons.
     
  2. Jayzers_100

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    eh, I'm extremely anti-trump and think anyone wearing MAGA gear is missing a few brain cells, but I'll admit the kids did absolutely nothing wrong here
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL I think that's always okay. If people are being verbally attacked by a racist hate group, I personally believe the right thing to do is to beat the hell out of them for it. You might have sympathy for racists and bigots, but I don't.....and the idea that putting a beat down on a racist who is spewing hatred along with racist and bigoted slurs and rhetoric is an "un-American mentality" has to be a joke right?

    "Turn the other cheek" might be the Christian thing to do, but "beat that ass" is the American thing to do in that situation.
     
  4. JayGoogle

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    Lol at thinking that's why they lost the land and claiming you know history. Guess you know little of the diseases that Europeans brought to the states and how many natives it wiped out and how colonials needed the help of natives to even farm the land or they would starve...

    Also at me being a race baiter as you constantly, over and over and over again race bait this entire thread. The hypocrisy and all of it all wrapped in one is really amazing to me. To see your posts when you first came back, humbled and all...and now you are back in full form...is actually just amazing to me. In an amusing way though, so keep it up.
     
  5. Jayzers_100

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    I don't think violence is the answer, of course not. It would just be amusing to me...let's be real, I'm a white male in the United States. There's absolutely nothing that can be said about me to hurt my feelings on a racist level. Maybe I just have thicker skin than you? Idk. But violence in that instance accomplishes nothing. Now if someone were taunting my wife or girlfriend or threatening harm against anyone I cared about, sure I'd fight them. But if some group doesn't know me and is insulting my race? I just find it amusing because obviously their words have no power against me. They're just words
     
  6. tallanvor

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    The guy walks up to a kid and bangs a drum in his face while his pals are saying racist things. Anyone on the planet would interpret this as an act of aggression. Phillips refuses to walk around the kid because he doesn't think he should have to due to the white man's crimes over the past 500 years (his words). Phillips then lies over and over again about what happened to the media. There was no chanting hurtful comments by the kids. Nobody blocked his path. He was not surrounded by angry kids.

    You, for some reason, interpret Phillips as trying to do a peaceful march. How in the world can you watch these events and come to that conclusion? you base this solely on what he claims because none of his actions back this up. its mental gymnastics.
     
  7. JayGoogle

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    LOL! You took the EXACT opposite position to counter-protestors in Ch'ville!
     
  8. Nook

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    First off, they were high school age children, I don't think that it is appropriate for adults to be lobbing insults at a group of 16-18 year old students. The black Hebrews were adults and looked pathetic snapping at minors. Take the high ground and say nothing. Save your insults for adults.

    Second, yeah wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat in public is asking for trouble. There are a lot of negative connotations with that hat and a lot of people really dislike it. No one wearing that hat necessarily deserves harassment but it should be expected. Still they were kids wearing the hats. Smug minors, but still minors.

    Third, if anyone believes that the students were not responding to the Black Hebrews and lobbing nasty/ignorant comments at the Native American's, then you are being purposely obtuse. You can even see the idiot smiling motion to his friend to stop engaging. There also have been people present in the American Indian march that said both the Black Hebrews and the students were saying things that were not appropriate. Also, some of the Native America protesters were saying nasty things to the high school kids, which is again pathetic. I did not see Phillips say anything wrong or nasty.

    Really it was a combination of a bunch of losers all intersecting together. At least the Trumpster losers have the excuse of being minors. The other two groups are sad if they were engaging high school students with Trump hats. Most high school students struggle to clean their own ass.

    Also, this is just another example of the President being the most divisive President in 150 years. Everyone involved should be ashamed.
     
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    You do understand that diseases come with advances in technology that allow large numbers of people to exist in a small space right? I know that upwards of 90% of the "native" population was wiped out by disease because their immune systems were weak having never faced anything like that before.....doesn't really change what I was saying though.

    Anyway, I do always appreciate your "people's history" version of things, it's always worth a laugh.....but let's get back to the topic of this thread, a group of children being verbally attacked by racists.

    I don't think violence is the answer, but it's a fully acceptable response to racist and bigoted hate. Just because you think everyone else is below you and as such nothing they say matters to you, doesn't mean that everyone holds that view. Perhaps you could be convinced to put on your white knight costume if you realized that the hate group was specifically targeting the black kids in the group with their racist rhetoric.....maybe you wouldn't care. Perhaps you would care if there were any gay kids in the group when the entire group is having homophobic slurs homophobic rhetoric blasted at them.....maybe not.

    Either way, I can tell you that others who don't live in that type of ivory tower would very likely react differently and the racists and bigots would catch a beating for doing what they were doing and I'd have no problem with it whatsoever.
     
  10. Jayzers_100

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    Well said. Out of caution I said they "did nothing wrong" because I think they should be given credit for not being the main antagonizers and should be able to move on given their age. However, you're right and they probably weren't completely innocent
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    So full of s***, it's f***ing hilarious. You would've tucked your tail and run.

    This story is just a giant waste of time. No one is really interested in the truth.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Did I now?
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    Video evidence proves your statement wrong.....but by all means, stick with your narrative that has been dubunked long ago.
     
  14. Nook

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    No one was completely innocent but no they did not deserve anything negative happen to them.

    Obviously the Black Hebrews and some of the Native American's could not exercise good judgment.... had that encounter turned physical, it would have been extremely nasty. High School kids being hit by adults... likely the High School kids winning based on numbers.... the possibility of someone having a fire arm and then police being involved in a riot with minor's.
     
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  15. tallanvor

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    why do you ignore the native Americans lobbing racist comments?

    supporting Trump publicly now equates to being smug and you should expect harassment.

    you saw him do something wrong and nasty. walk up to an innocent kid and bang a drum in his face. you jsut ignore it. Not addressing your buddy yelling racist comments is also wrong .

    The trump supporting minors where the best behaved people there and got called racist for it. Maybe if you would stop attacking them and calling them 'losers' then there would be less divisiveness. Maybe if you directed your ire on the right people (Phillips, left wing media) instead of innocent kids then there would be less divisiveness.
     
  16. Jayzers_100

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    I don't think everyone else is below me, I've just been fortunate enough not to experience the unfortunate racism that other groups have (and continue) to experience in this county. If we're being completely honest, I actually sympathize when people blame white men for our nation's problems because we have been the majority power-holders for quite some time. I'm glad things are starting to balance out and that Congress continues to become more diverse. I'm NOT saying I agree with any group that was involved in this particular incident, I'm just saying I believe in the right to peacefully protest without fear of facing violence
     
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    I think violence is the legal dividing line -- all three of these parties are perfectly entitled to hate each other for whatever misguided reason they want without fear of breaking any law as long as they don't put their hands on anyone.
     
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  18. tallanvor

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    the kids showed no hate to anyone. stop grouping these people.

    even if they did chant 'build the wall' which every bit of evidence says didn't happen, that cant be interpreted as offensive to native Americans or african americans. if it was directed at Hispanics and meant in a taunting tone then sure.
     
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    I'm not really following closely along with your exchange with JayGoogle, but kudos on the 'people's history' reference. that was clever. ;)
     
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    Clearly you do if you think racist rhetoric by anyone else directed at you doesn't matter. You see them as below you...and people who SHOULD be racists and bigots. People wouldn't feel that way about those they viewed as equals.

    I don't disagree that people should have the right to peacefully protest without fear of facing violence, but when you are spewing racist and bigoted slurs and hateful rhetoric, that's not "peaceful" and I think those kinds of people get what they deserve.
     

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