he's not owed a damn thing.... he's also not obligated to accept a longer term minimum contract... but I'm betting if we wanna get any future benefit or services from Danuel House... the team needs to invoke the provision which allows them to sign him for the balance of the year for a 1 year min deal...
During his three seasons as a Rocket, Gordon pretty much only starts when CP3 or Harden sit. When the Rockets were at full strength to start the year, Ennis started and Gordon continued in his super-sub role. Things changed because of CP3’s hamstring injury. Also, I didn’t forget about Ennis. However, House has played better on both ends of the court than Ennis this season. If both were on the roster right now, House is still the starter, until his play or Ennis’ play dictated otherwise. And if you had both House and Ennis, then you wouldn’t have had to sign or give minutes to James Nunnally.
At first, my thought process was that Morey will eventually have to budge and convert him just for this season rather than not playing him again. But the more I think about it, I could totally see Morey absolutely sticking to his guns and asking for a contract past this year or you won’t see the court again this season. And honestly, I’m beginning to think that is the best move. It’s a medium risk, high reward strategy. Look, those who are saying we “need” him. This is Danuel House, ok. I love the dude in a Rockets jersey, but it’s Danuel House. His ceiling for us is to be our 6th best player, that’s best case scenario for him. So why let this guy continue to use us to give him all his shine for his next contract, when he won’t be anywhere near the most important thing for us. We’re not saying he’s not good. He’s great to have on a roster. Morey probably knows hes going to be great value when he does hit free agency this summer. He’s still going to be a cheap contract, just one that will be slightly above what we can offer because of restrictions. So why let some other team have him. We’d literally be gifting a team a promising young player on a very reasonable contract for a couple of years. So those are the type of players we need moving forward for two reasons: 1) the structure of our roster and 2) trade asset since we are looking at no cap space next few years. If he doesn’t agree to a multi-year I say it’s more important that Green stays playing and see if Ennis can get more comfortable. TL;DR Morey sticking to his guns. Medium risk / high reward. Medium risk because it’s Danuel House, can’t be high risk. May be low risk. High Reward because we would have another good role player on a minimum contract which is very important for this roster and can be solid trade asset. @heypartner that was long but would you agree with that?
We have no idea if that is even Morey's strategy, to threaten not seeing the court again. Tyrone Wallace rejected a multi-year, returned to play at end of Gleague season, then Clippers made him an RFA, and were able to keep him. Not ever seeing the court again is just some strategy that we invented in this thread. Keep in mind, Morey surely wants him on multiple years as an asset in future trades, too. I'm sure he has a value attached to that wrt outplaying his contract. For all we know, Morey has every intention to offer House more MLE, if there is any left after buyout season, especially if he knows MDA intends to play him in the playoffs if available. There is nothing better than playoff exposure to increase value of your assets for the future.
Lmaoo, you're joking right? Ennis was never getting that starting spot back if House didn't get sent down. Ennis is a negative on defense and at times a liability on offense. House is a positive on defense and very effective in his role on offense. The team's defensive stats saw a JOLT as soon as Ennis down and House replaced his minutes. You think that's a coincidence? You can't be watching the same Rockets games.
if we were healthy.... i'd lean towards the gamble of playing hardball - and hoping House caves... try to get that benefit of a long term cheap contract... but thats not a luxury we have... As long as we're bringing guys in off the street and putting them straight onto the floor (as we've done much of the year...) and we're in a dogfight for the playoffs with virtually the entire Western Conference and we're loading down our starters with heavy minutes trying to win games.... i say bite the bullet and get what you can outta the guy... Unlike some other posters... I believe if we can get everybody back before the post season... and get James some rest before the playoffs... as long as we make it into the playoffs, we got a punchers chance of beating any team in this league!
Yes. Worst case you make him an RFA, his stock would be low since he didnt see much if any PT the entire season so basically you can retain him for vet min.
I also believe Rox have a punchers chance of beating anybody in the league but tbh Danuel freaking House has very little to do with that. Lineup shrinks to 7-8 guys in the playoffs: Harden Capela Cp3 Gordon Tucker Rivers Faried Sorry theres your 7 man playoff lineup. If another dude is needed Gerald Green would be first guy taken as he is a vet vs Danuel House.
He cant leave in the post season Rox will make him RFA before the season ends so they still have his rights. Worst case Morey still wins. House was just trying to be a b**** ass and hold Rox hostage due to their injuries I'm glad Morey is holding his feet to the fire. I'm not blaming House for trying to maximize his money but he tried to hardball the Rox I'm happy to see the Rix hardballing him back. The final offer was a 3 year guaranteed money that is more than what late first rounders get, technically he already came out ahead. If thats not enough then he can toil away in the gleague and the Rox give him a vet min deal at the ebd of the season.
Houston’s roster is starting to shape up pretty well. If DM could just sign House to a good deal I think we could be set. I’m also hearing rumors about Houston being involved in some sort of trade for Wayne Ellington, if true this could be nice. Starters: Chris Paul James Harden Danuel House PJ Tucker Clint Capela Bench: Austin Rivers Ben Gordon Wayne Ellington Gearld Green Kenneth Faried/Nene Traded to Miami: Melo Chriss Ennis Insurance players: Brandon Knight Gary Clark Isaiah Hartenstein Vincent Edwards
Of course we want to make him RFA and resign him with Bird rights (up to $2m/yr). But waiting for House to cave is not the only other option, either. If you have MLE left, without breaking precedence you can consider upping the offer, in order to build a trade asset for the Future. The precedence could just be that we are going to Lock you out, and explore other things -- including trading you. If need and money still exists in March, Morey can sign him and increase his value with playoff exposure, then you have a more valuable trade asset for next year -- a very prudent, tangible, and Future Looking action. Rockets played 9 guys vs Minny and Utah. And needed 9 different players in the GSW series, due to injuries. Morey isn't going to break some precedence by upping his offer later, if MLE still exists, or calling the player up due to injuries. That's not caving. We are just arguing that it is.
Hopefully we are 100% healthy and we dont need him for the playoffs... but... A) we're in a dogfight to even be in the post season... with the minutes Harden, PJ and others are posting... we could easily go on a skid or endure further injuries... I do believe House vs Ennis could be the diff between at least a few wins or losses - which could make a world of difference... B) yeh, hopefully we're healthy for the playoffs... but again, a couple injuries... and i'd rather not be relying on James Ennis...
I dont view this as him trying to play hardball... if he said something like he deserves more money and wont play out the year for the min - then he's an ass... but I think this is just a guy that doesnt want to tie himself down until he's 27 on a min contract... if he views it as we drove his value down by not converting and playing him... how yippy skippy is the guy gonna be to play next year on a min deal? fwiw Another poster (i asked for a link) stated that the 3 year deal was not fully guaranteed... fwiw... so if the final offer was to guarantee this season... but only with 2 team option years...
I can't believe that after we couldn't hold a lead at halftime of games 6 and 7 without Paul, you can gloss over the fatigue factor so easily. We could have snatched a win if we had one rotation player helping our guys get some rest. If Moute had played, don't you think we might have made 3 of 27? Or held them to 4 fewer points? Role players matter. They are not extremely important in the grand scheme of things, but in the playoffs and especially with a roster where you must assume Paul can go down at any point, of course it matters even if House is glued to the bench the rest of the series.
If Cp3 is missing you need a pg to replace him and not Danuel freaking House. Moute was injured and is still injured iirc so I dunno why you bring him up. House is a forward you can play him 2, 3 and 4 but he cant create the offense. You just sold me on dropping House entirely and getting another pg whats the point of having House on the team we already got Ennis and Gerald Green as backup forwards. PGs is where we are really thin Rivers has been playing 40+ mins.
Look at Gordon's splits he is better starting at SF and will likely remain the SF starter unless he gets injured. Talking about the past doesn't matter as we had Ariza before and EG as supersub this year failed spectacularly, he even said all the fun is gone. Now he is starting he is back to last year's EG hitting clutch shots and making plays. Even if House came back EG should continue to start.
Ok maybe you need to get some things straight: 1. House didn't get a "minimum contract", he got a deal that is higher than a late first round pick iirc around 5M for 3 years. Heaven forbid a guy who is out of the league and has been cut two times "tie himself down" for 3 years and 5M lol. Look at Rivers, Gerald Green and now Faried House should be jumping for joy at a minimum deal not to mention more than the minimum. 2. That other poster won't be able to give you a link because he is wrong, according to Adam Spolane's tweets the deal is 3 years fully guaranteed. Adam Spolane is a beat reporter he would have more accurate info than some random poster in CF. I don't have an issue with House trying to get as much money as he can I do have an issue with the Rox if they bend over backwards to him. If he thinks he is too rich to get a 3 year NBA deal that is more than the minimum then he can get a 1 yr min deal next year after the Rox RFAs his ass.
Honestly, you've not thought this through if you are saying having a healthy Moute in games 6 and 7 wouldn't have mattered. I'm not talking about bringing Moute back, that's just your reflex throwing that defensiveness out there. If we are in the same situation again, we would need House to give our 2's and 3's a breather at the very least, and that matters. Not to create offense. ALL the players were exhausted. This would simply happen again if we went with 7-8 players in the first two rounds and then lost our second best player in the middle of the WCF. Depth has always mattered. Injuries happen, and they are most likely to happen with us. The 8th-9th guys should play, and even if they don't play they matter because of the likelihood of injury and the fact that we're facing a more talented team than us where we can use depth to balance the scales.
House is better than 99% of late first round picks, he does not have the problems that rookies display, and the contract you are talking about is literally the worst contract in the league. He is not one of the worst players in the league. Our GM seeks out players on rookie scale contracts because they routinely outperform those contracts which they have no control over. There are 2 players on our roster who could not beat out Danuel "out of the league and has been cut two times" House for that starting spot and those guys are our 2nd and 3rd best forwards now. There is no question MDA sees that House should be making more than Clark and Ennis.
