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Trump Youth Taunt Native American Elder

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Here's the "black kids" you are going to bat for

    This is the whole livestream by the racist homophobic hate group


    Here's a good highlight


    Here's another fun part


    Do your homework and stop supporting homophobic racist hate groups on the basis of their skin color.
     
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    here's a NON-CONSERVATIVE PERSPECTIVE. There's no way you can possibly slam Arc Digital Medium. This guy writes of having been bamboozled yesterday from his first impressions of the twitter reports, and realizes later he's been fooled.

    https://arcdigital.media/did-the-boys-of-covington-catholic-mob-a-native-american-elder-1475bf8ad5d2

    Did the Boys of Covington Catholic “Mob” a Native American Elder?
    Only if Twitter determines our reality
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    Justin Lee
    Jan 20

    If you had the misfortune of being on Twitter yesterday, you were likely swept up in the flood of outrage at the MAGA-hatted students of the all-male Covington Catholic High School. When I first watched the viral video that appeared to show the boys surrounding and taunting a Native American elder, Nathan Phillips, as he beat a ceremonial drum and chanted — I seethed with anger. I didn’t even have the sound on. The images alone were enough to assure me that all the bipartisan blue-checkmark indignation was more than justified.

    The idea of (ostensibly Catholic) teenagers disrupting a ceremonial chant at the inaugural Indigenous Peoples March with shouts of “Build the wall!” jives with everything I take for granted about the “"spirit of Trumpism.” It was a despairing spectacle, but it also provided a measure of schadenfreude: any moment now these brats would be doxxed and irrevocably tarred by their bigoted folly.

    And then fresh videos began to appear in my feed. As I watched — and now listened — I experienced a sinking feeling. I was part of a mob, not those boys.

    In none of the videos of the incident will one hear anyone chanting “Build the wall!” Nor will one see students “swarm” Phillips and his compatriots. Rather, one sees a group of teenage boys chanting their school’s fight song as they waited on steps near the Lincoln Memorial for their bus to arrive. One sees Phillips, accompanied by a small group of activists, several of whom already have their phones out and filming, approach the crowd of boys and insert himself into their midst while drumming and chanting.



    The boys are clearly surprised and confused by his presence, and they attempt to participate in his chanting. They do so ineptly and raucously — a few even foolishly making Atlanta Braves-style tomahawk hand gestures. Several of them goof-off for the cameras. In other words, a large group of boys are confronted with a novel situation and behave, well, like boys.

    The mood of the situation shifts when Phillips positions himself directly in front of a student and beats his drum deliberately inches from the kid’s face. He even appears to strike the drum more forcefully. The kid quickly realizes that Phillips is trying to provoke him, but he holds his ground, refusing to be intimidated, smirking at the absurdity of the situation. In the video below (beginning at 0:42), it’s clear that the kid never moved from where he was standing prior to being approached by Phillips. Other students, however, initially back away, before crowding back in — giving the false impression that they’re egging him on.



    One of Phillips’ companions then begins to verbally accost one of the students. “You white people go back to Europe,” he says, “this is not your land.” The student argues back. As the interchange gets heated, the boy who been confronted by Phillips gestures to the arguing boy to knock it off (which he does). Another activist also helps de-escalate the man arguing with the boy.



    Mainstream news outlets were quick to seize on the story and spin Nathan Phillips as hero. Courtesy of ")The Washington Post:

    It would be too generous to assume that Phillips merely misremembered events. The confrontation was premeditated, tailor-made for the viral outrage mob. That Phillips appears to be an honorable man outside of this episode — he is a Vietnam veteran who takes care to honor the memory of fellow Native Americans who died in the war each year at Arlington National Cemetery — does not mitigate his behavior.

    In an interview with CNN, Phillips claims that he approached the students because they were harassing a group of African-American men who were (in the anchor’s words) “preaching about the Bible and oppression.” The young African-American men who needed Phillip’s assistance, it turns out, were Black Hebrew Israelites, an eccentric black nationalist cult led by “General Yahanna” (who was present in the group). A longer video of the incident shows Covington students engaging calmly with Yahanna, even as the General shouts at them, “Claim your true history. Claim the Greeks. Claim the Romans. The Greeks was a bunch of homosexuals, just like the Romans. … You proud of sodomy? You look like a product of sodomy!” A little later he declares, “Your president is a homosexual!”

    Major news outlets ran with the false story even though the exonerating footage was readily available. Is this a case of intentional libel? Or is this merely one more example of journalists refusing to perform due diligence on a story that suited their ideological purposes?



    Thankfully, at least one local news station was willing to get the students’ side of the story. Read the transcript below of one student’s account of the event. You’ll find that it lines up quite well with everything that can be discerned from the videos.
    etc etc etc. more at the link

     
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    Good thing the fake news narrative was exposed once again. Thank God for cell phones.
     
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    Crazy enough it was the racist hate group who was live streaming their demonstration that proved the narrative wrong. They should have taken the evidence down quicker.
     
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    How blind are you - he walked up to them chanting to try to interrupt the hate coming from them and then they approached and surrounded him in a very threatening manner yelling taunts. He stood his ground (which is a law in Florida by the way) - he stood his ground against those poorly parented kids who were acting like hooligans.

    Shame on them and their parents. We knew this was the kind of behavior Trump would inspire and we now see how you are defending teenagers who are debasing our vets and showing no respect for others. It's really a new low for you
     
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    Still lots of hate in each these posts. Yet the disrespectful behavior of the student, egged on by the other students, is clearly shown. Everything else is just intended to defend the student's behavior. Why? He was wearing a red hat?
    Did the kid turn sideways, just let the man by? Or did he smirk at Mr. Phillips? While the rest of the students laugh, and also mock Mr. Phillips? Did this happen, or not?
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    It's pretty pathetic how many people are STILL willing to attack teenagers who did literally nothing wrong while at the same time making excuses for racist adults who sought to provoke them.
     
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    You are speaking in absolutes. I reject your statement that stoicly beating a religious drum in front of someone will always rile them up. I think for some people, at least, the message would be understood as not antagonistic and they would calm themselves out of respect for the other person’s culture.

    Nothing you wrote conflicts with what I wrote — which is merely recapping the story given in the article you linked to from reason.com. As for the guy who yelled at them to go back to Europe — I don’t condone it, but when you perceive the other side as the sort who’s tell minorities to go back to their country, it is understandable why in an emotional confrontation they may be tempted to respond in kind. It isn’t really racism. It’s (probably unfairly) stereotyping based on their MAGA hats.

    I figured this would be your response. You are angry and resentful of how those kids were treated by the media. I get it.

    And you know it was Phillips who scheduled all the interviews, vs the media reaching out to him for his take on the whole thing. How?
     
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    Since you are defending the actions of the racists, let's put you in the kid's shoes. You are with a group of your friends and up comes 2 different groups of people shouting racist rhetoric, one of them has people with drums pushing through your group while yelling the racist rhetoric.....is that likely to calm you down or antagonize you?

    No matter how the interviews happened, we know that Phillips is a liar, isn't that what is important? I mean there is video evidence disproving his version of events meaning that he's a liar who hangs out with racists.....not exactly the kind of person who is deserving of respect or that you should go to bat for.
     
  11. Harrisment

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    Ahh 4Chan. Now your posts and ignorance that you regularly display here make perfect sense. This is not a bit surprising.
     
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    Looks like the media jumped the gun on this one.

    It is amusing though seeing conservatives here pearl clutch about the #MAGA kids (DON'T ATTACK THEM! THEY ARE KIDS!) Yet go back to the Parkland shooting where they harassed those kids and sent them death threads constantly for doing NOTHING but making a political statement.

    Good for me but not for thee, the hypocrisy is amazing.
     
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    I like how you ignored the substance that you can't argue an instead attacked the source. That would be a brilliant move if you were trying to convince small children that can't see past that kind of tactic.
     
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    As someone that's been out of the loop and reading the reports about it today (disclaimer: I'm not spending time watching the videos), now that more evidence has been released and been investigated, I can't put much blame on the students.

    The students were waiting at the memorial to be picked up by their bus. A black supremacist group approaches them, sees their attire, and harasses them. Phillips inserts himself in the middle of the group, but I don't buy that he's trying to pacify the groups. Invading someone's personal space and beating a drum inches from their face is a dick move. Combine that with others in his group that yell racist things at them and it's clear they're trying to start something. Of course the teens respond as how you'd expect teens to respond. But how can you expect anything different? They're not the adults in this situation.

    Now that's not to say the teens aren't racists themselves. Some may well be, and others may be edge lords. But they're young and impressionable, likely parroting their parents. I hope they eventually broaden their perspective and don't end up being racists. They should at least learn that wearing provocative clothing may bring unwanted attention, but that's still their right and they're not responsible for how others react to it.
     
  15. Harrisment

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    I agree. After seeing the additional footage, I do think the immediate attack on the kids was wrong. The additional footage that has come out does not support the account from Phillips in my opinion. There may be more to the interaction that does support him, but I have to judge based on what I’ve seen to this point.
     
  16. Os Trigonum

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    OP, I'm getting an error message that says "sorry that page doesn't exist" . . .
     
  17. Harrisment

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    Did you try clicking on it? It shows up for me.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    Well the Tweet shows up as deleted for everyone else.
     
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    yep. not there.

    OP should probably change the name of thread too, to Native American Elder Taunt Trump Youth

    ;)
     
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    Weird. The embed doesn’t show up, but when I click on it loads.

    Maybe it’s cached.
     

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