They can certainly say that they are every bit as much as your simple minded socialist friend from NY can. Why wouldn't they be able to say that?
Oh, I don’t know.....they either directly sold out our nation to a foreign adversary or sat back and let it happen....
Oh, my bad....didn’t realize you firmly believe in and support the current GOP after these past two years. You throw socialism around, which nobody is advocating for, yet are completely fine being the little b**** of a communist nation. We are done here. Have a good one.
I'm not sure that's a fact at all. Examples? Every mass murder instituted by a government has been by a socialist govt: Germany, Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam. Socialist regimes have to engage in mass murder so they can get rid of the talented people who won't work for slave wages. Only later when their society crumbles do they realize... "hey, you know, in retrospect, we needed those people.....oops."
Sadly it's not true that no one supports or advocates for socialism, I wish that were true. Also, what country is the US "being the little b****" of? I mean, I know during the previous administration Obama was Putin's b**** time and time again, but Russia hasn't been socialist in quite some time. Were you talking about China? If so, even the reason for their success as of the last 40 years has been a direct result of dumping socialism for capitalism little by little. They still have a long way to go, but the decision to dump their command economy for a market economy (another way of saying dumping socialism for capitalism) is the sole reason why hundreds of millions of Chinese people have been lifted out of poverty in the years after that decision. Anyway, I'm fine with being done here, talking with the economic equivalent of flat earthers gets tiresome.
Ever heard of Pinochet? The entire slave trade was also a prime example of capitalism run amok as well. I have no idea what you're talking about with Germany, if you mean Nazi Germany, that country was far from being socialist. The only reason they put it in their party name was for subversion. Hitler was no socialist, in fact, they were on his list of enemies and he never spoke too kindly of it. He literally just used the word because it had more of a positive connotation then and he wanted his party to appear as the 'Workers' party. It had a much more capitalist economy if anything but guess what? To put the blame on capitalism there is just foolish. The reason Nazi Germany killed people wasn't because of its economy but because of its social policy of racial purity. You can separate that from how it planned its economy. You can do the same for any of the above countries as well. Economical ideologies are not all a country is made of. You'd be a lot more correct in saying "Authorianism has caused more death than any other ideology," because that is the one constant no matter what economic plan a country adopts. Authoritarian regimes have to engage in mass murder because they don't like dissenters and are afraid of losing power. Socialism in itself doesn't kill anyone, you mentioned China, and that's a pretty good example of what I'm speaking about here. The fact that it is a Socialist Market Economy and that they are not mass murdering citizens right now tells you that it's probably because they don't have a megalomaniac at their head anymore. Maybe you can argue that socialism, especially in its more pure forms, lures egomaniacs like that because they think they can run everything. I can also argue that capitalism in its purer forms creates the exploitation of workers and people and usually starts massive class warfare...but that's the thing...can you find anyone on this board that wants the State to take ownership over private property and business? Good luck...but you know, I can find people here that believe there should be NO minimum wage at all.. What I want is free or very affordable healthcare and I don't see how that would lead to an order of mass murder by the government, do you?
I have, while his methods were immoral and brutal....he's still the best thing that ever happened to Chile.....and one of the only dictators I've ever heard of that voluntarily handed over power after he fixed the country.
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Sounds just like the folks who supported Hitler in his early days or Mussolini who "made the trains run on time". Do us a favor and vote "libertarian" in the next election which at times you allege.
Of course it would sound that way to you, and I'm not saying that what he did was the right thing, I'm saying it was effective. Morally there's not considerable difference between a Nazi and a socialist as they are the two most deadly ideologies of the 20th century and they cause death and ruin wherever they go. So that means essentially what he did was kill off all of the Nazis in his country after they took power before they got a chance to do more damage and harm any more people. After that was done and the country was back on track he stepped down and his country has been considerably better for it. To you that's the same as Nazis murdering innocents out of some twisted racist ideology, to me it couldn't be more different. I can't support the methods, but I also admit that I can't say what I would have done if I was a Jew in Germany with the power to stop Hitler and the Nazis by using those tactics....perhaps I'd have done the same in that situation. Maybe you would have too, there's simply no way of knowing. Anyway, the TL/DR version is that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one I'm afraid.
We can also add Kent State, the MOVE bombing killed 6 children as well. The United States has examples of mass murder.
Just imagine if a US president decided to kill people for their political beliefs...I mean just imagine that... Like, I despise white nationalists but I don't suggest rounding them up and killing them...You calling his methods 'Effective' is excusing and basically endorsing what he did. You're literally comparing the people he killed to Nazi's when they were just liberals, nothing else. They were as innocent as the Jewish people Hitler killed. In this post here, you are actually saying that if you round up liberals and kill them then it's an 'effective' way of ending socialism. And if you're going to say that Pinochet was good for his country then you may as well say that Mao Zedong, the socialist Mao Zedong, was good for his too. Fair is fair.
Not counting all the wars started in the name of building profit... Not only that but we know capitalism unchecked and not regulated creates slavery, whether that is wage slavery or just good old plain slaves or child labor. Companies get too greedy and care nothing about the people working for them.
If white nationalists took over the country and there was a recent history of white nationalists taking over countries and it leading to the death of millions.....and you could do something about it but it would mean killing off the white nationalists, would you? Again, I can't say that I wouldn't and I don't think you can say that either. The difference of course is that Mao wasn't good for his country, in fact what he did led to the death of many times that of the Holocaust....what helped turn China around was after Mao was dead they rejected the socialist nonsense and started shifting their economy to a capitalist system. Also, no one ever said anything about "round up and kill liberals", socialists are not liberals. As to the hypothetical of socialists taking over the country, I can't say that I wouldn't support it given that anyone with a brain knows what happens when socialists take over a country....and it's considerably worse than merely lining up the monstrous socialists against a wall and shooting them so that the country can survive. Anyway, given that you are a socialist apologist (again no different than a Nazi apologist morally) we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
