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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL that's incredibly naive....but I get where it's coming from, it would be true if we were talking about your country instead of a country that matters. The rules are simply different for rich countries than they are for countries with less to offer. Perhaps in a few months you'll be able to see for yourself how this happens.

    When you talk about deals that took years to come together, you are always talking about deals that are beneficial but aren't pressing. If Germany is actively being harmed by no deal existing, those kinds of deals get put together much more quickly.

    It's like how a patient can afford to wait on a non essential medication but they aren't going to wait weeks for a medicine that they'll die or suffer greatly without.
     
  2. MojoMan

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    You do not know what you are talking about.
     
  3. malakas

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    At some point I would like to believe that using personal insults against someones country and nation unprovoked would get old but it seems it doesnt. Do you really think that earns you some kind of gold star or adds to your argument? It just helps to present you as a petty xenophobic person.

    Anyway it would help you understand the sutuation if you just looked at map. UK is an island that imports most of its food and medicines daily.
    Who needs who more.

    If I didnt have compassion for the poor british people I would love a no deal brexit since it would be a nice dose of reality for some specific clowns.
    However I cant bear to witness people dying without cancer treatments and starving.
    I at least have this sense of humanity that the likes of Reegs Mogg and Farage who know exactly what catastrophe is coming, dont seem to share about their own nation.
    Its just sad.
     
  4. dmoneybangbang

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    You should look at the difference between Japan and the U.K....Japan is a bigger version of the U.K.,

    The E.U. is far larger than the U.K. population wise and economic wise, your position doesn’t make sense. The UK and the E.U. need each other but the larger trade bloc will have more power.
     
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    That is not what you spoke to in your previous post.

    Also, if this were to pass, which it certainly has not done so yet, that would effectively kill Brexit. They have been trying to kill Brexit every way imaginable since the referendum first passed. Add this to the list.

    Nobody is going to be fooled that this is about anything other than that. Any MP who votes for this will be voting to kill Brexit. End story.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    It's not an insult, it's providing a full explanation as to the most likely reason for why your viewpoint is so ridiculously misguided. The things you are saying here are simply inaccurate.

    Do you honestly think that continental Europe is the only place where the UK can spend their money? Countries with money like the UK does have options. If the EU is foolish enough to lose that business, the US among many others will trip over themselves trying to steal it away from the EU.

    Your ridiculous fear mongering nonsense might be true if the UK was a poor country, but they aren't. It would be like saying if one supplier decided to stop working with WalMart that WalMart would go out of business.....if any supplier that works with WalMart refuses to do business with them, they'd be replaced pretty quickly. The same is true if a market decided to shoot themselves in the foot by refusing to make money by exporting goods to the UK.

    As it stands right now EU countries sell more to the UK than the UK sells to the EU, meaning that the UK is more important to the EU than the EU is to the UK because finding new buyers to sell to is typically more difficult than finding new people who you can buy from....especially when you have a LOT of money.

    Now that's not to say that both aren't important to one another, just that the EU will be hurt more by the UK importing goods from others than the UK will be exporting their goods to others. To throw some numbers in here for context, the annual trade imbalance between the UK and EU is 67 billion Euros as of 2017.
     
  8. malakas

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    No its exactly as I said. 9 months delay and May cant exit on march without a deal.

    Its your own interpretation that it means no Brexit however for all the rest including those who will vote for it, it is just what it says. Postponement for 9 months so they dont commit suicide.
     
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    And that's only IF that gets the votes in order to pass. If it doesn't, the default position if a no deal Brexit.....you know, like we were telling you and you disagreed with for.....reasons?
     
  10. malakas

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    Ehm nope. As far I rememer UKs direct exports to the Eu make up about 60%+. How much is the exports of the rest of the eu to the uk?

    Furthermore Trump has already made crystal clear to the poor british that if they want to get food from america they have to lax their environmental and food safety laws. So unless the british accept to start eating chlorinated chickens and hormone cows , which so far they dont, they will have to wait for 8 hours for every truck to come across the chanel and be inspected.

    Maybe you never have been to britain but it lacks the cornfields america has and it is unable to feed itself.
     
  11. malakas

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    Yes when it gets voted. Which it is already pretty much planned and set in stone.

    Oh that was your disagreement? That it just hasnt happened yet?
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    If you are going to argue with a post that gave you the actual trade imbalance in Euros, use what you believe to be the correct trade imbalance using Euros otherwise you aren't effectively disputing anything.
     
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    It's that, like I said, delaying Brexit requires a vote to pass, if it doesn't pass, no deal Brexit is the default. How many times do you have to be told that before it sinks in?
     
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    Right.
    The archbishop of Carterburry today invited the public to pray for the parliament may they come to a sane decision.
    While he is at it he may as well pray for mana to fall from the sky so they have food to eat.
     
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    He seems to think that if he wants a certain outcome, then that means it has effectively already happened. This is borderline koo-koo stuff.
     
  16. malakas

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    What is the meaning for default if the voting has already been scheduled and the votes across all parties already secured included members of Mays government?

    Just arguing for the shake of arguing?
    It is planned and will happen unless a meteorite falls. Is this what you are arguing about?
     
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    Seems kinda messed up you can freely join an economic union but essentially can never leave without the destruction of your countries economy for generations (as some are suggesting).
     
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    How about leaving with a sensible plan instead of “screw it, let’s take the plunge”?

    How about not making such a transformative move when barely half the country voted to leave?
     
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    The meaning is that unless something is successfully passed to change things, this will be what happens. I honestly can't believe I had to spell that out again. A planned vote doesn't mean that it has passed.
     
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    And it looks like Parliament will prevent a no deal happening...
     

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