The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

What elections are you talking about? The referendum isn't an election and its role has always been advisory.
Also please stop calling the financing rules as weak nonsense. UK isn't North Korea, it has rules in the constitution that determine how any referendum is to be conducted. Rules that were broken by some with illegal financing by overseas.
If we call the law weak nonsense then any election and referendum is nothing. You are the one who doesn't respect democracy.

 

eh?
The UK will operate on WTO rules for trade which is exactly the reason why they will have to cull 1/3 of their sheeps. Because exporting food in the EU as a 3rd country not only requires expensive tarrifs but long and tedious examination upon every stage of production and import.
"The trade deals would get hammered pretty quickly" => are you still living in 2016 when Boris Johnson was spewing this bullshit?
What year is it? We are almost to the end and any sort of trade deal hasn't been hammered. The trade deal with Canada took 7 years and Canada's exports to the EU is a far cry away from the volume UK's is.

"The US and UK trade would increase" Sure. If the british citizens can accept that their chicken will be chlorinated and their meat full of hormones that is..oh wait consumer unions and MPs have already said that they won't accept Trump's demands on the quality of their foodstuff.

"Temporary issue over diplomas" So you think that all of a sudden the EU will just accept qualifications and equality of diplomas from 3rd countries ? LMAO.

The UK is certainly a powerhouse. However they are not the US. You are under the delusion that the UK is self sufficient and politically powerful like america but they aren't.
They are an island that have most of their food imported by ships every day accross their channel, and most of the factories don't even have warehouses that can store materials more than 3 days.

And I like how you have ommited the service industry one that Britain's economy relies he heaviest on, ever since Thatcher in the 80s decided to forgone the coal and steel for banks. Banks and services will be prohibited for providing services to EU countries. And that won't chance with any trade deal.

 

While there is a semantic difference between an election and a referendum, I was clearly combining the two to include both electoral processes. People in the US who lost the presidential election came up with all manner of excuses for why their candidate lost, the remainers came up with all sorts of excuses for why they lost....it's the same fundamental thing. If you start invalidating the results based on these excuses, you'll never have a vote without the loser attempting to pull that BS.

A weak ass financial violation isn't sufficient to disqualify an election simply because the outcomes scares you.

 

Countdown to an MP putting an ammendment for the postponement of article 50 starts now. Shouldn't take more than 3 days.
Now Corbyn had his fun got his defeat and he can go sit in a corner and cooperate with his own party.

 

I don't care how you want to project US's politics on UK and EU but it has nothing to do with each other.
Maybe accross the Atlantic a referendum meas election (I doubt it), but not here.

I mean this forum is full of threads about american politics, what are you doing here projecting your own domestic issues about a foreign country that isn't even in the same continent?

 

Why would a near 50-50 vote provide certainty? This is a massive decision. If it remained for Brexit it would serve as confirmation. If it flips the other way, it wouldn't provide certainty, but cast more doubt. For a decision not easily reversed, I think I'd want some confirmation.

 

Okay a few things here

The EU isn't a country....the problem is that it is trying to act as one. Also, Europe isn't the only people the UK can do business with. If Germany for example, wants to continue exporting their cars to the UK, which not being able could collapse their industry, they'll quickly get on board with a trade deal with the UK. Same goes for all of the other countries in the EU.

When a trade deal is in the best interest of all parties involved, they don't take that long to hammer out....no matter what the fearmongers would have you believe.

I mean, you keep coming with this EU propaganda nonsense, and I get it, you are afraid of what Brexit would mean to your country as a leach on the EU. I don't know what to tell you, but a lot of the things you are saying would be true if your country were to leave the EU, but the UK is a global powerhouse economically....the same rules don't apply to them. They have a TON of leverage.

I'm talking about universals here, and I'm not talking about EU politics given that the EU isn't a democratic organization. When you can decide to ignore the results of a vote and just keep doing more and more votes until you get the result you want, that's not democracy....though it's something that happens in the EU so maybe that's why you support it.

 

Here we go again.
Why do you confuse Brexit with no deal Brexit? Postponement of article 50 just means that the immediate scenario of no deal will put to death.
I repeat so you can understand the situation.
1) Most Brexitters MPs, voters, unions etc are adamant in getting a deal done.
2) Only about 70 MPs want a no deal Brexit.
3) There has been cross party collaboration multiple times in the last weeks for the parliament to outright BLOCK any scenario of no deal Brexit.

So make sure you get this straight => No deal Brexit will not be allowed to happen.

 

So why honor the result of any close election then? If you can merely ignore the results if you don't like them, why even have a referendum in the first place?

 

So basically your post boils down to two things.
1) You are from a country in economic crisis so shut up you suck.
2) Eu propaganda.

Thanks for your..input?

 

Well one thing is for sure, you've make it clear that you are absolutely afraid of that happening and I don't blame you. If in your position I would be worried about it too. Given the deals offered, it's the best thing for the UK, but it's potentially devastating to the EU, especially for the freeloading countries.

 

It's not that "you suck" for being in a country that is an EU freeloader, it's that your opinion on the subject is biased as a result of that....which is why you are coming with fearmongering EU propaganda. You guys are rightfully afraid of a no deal Brexit.

I don't have any such bias because it won't affect me one way or the other economically.

 

Just a casual observer, but I feel like @MojoMan is right that the UK has a date with a hard Brexit. It might be a disaster, but it is the path of least resistance making it the inevitable conclusion unless someone is able to do something heroic.

 

Hard Brexit if you mean by this no deal Brexit then it is not the path of least resistance.

For example, the Speaker of the house himself has shown determination to block it. The Speaker of the House is supposed to be the most impartial and not take any sides.

 

I think it would require the EU to offer terms that would allow for a clean Brexit to happen meaning that they won't be subject to EU laws. As of now, the only thing the EU has offered was for the UK to become a vassal of the EU and that's simply never going to happen. The default position is for a hard Brexit so IMO that's the most likely scenario.