You can tell what a person prioritizes by what they are willing to shut the government over.

Sure, that's the new propaganda coming from the DNC....but they certainly didn't feel that way when they put up 700 miles worth of walls in 2006....walls that have proven to be effective.

Also, we had a bill in place to fund the government that passed the house and would have passed in the senate if not for a filibuster by Democrats, they wen't out of their way to ensure there would be a government shutdown simply so that there wouldn't be any border security funding.

Sorry man, history and reality just aren't consistent with your talking points.

 

So democrats were on board with $1.3 billion in increased fencing (more walls, whatever you want to call it), so why isn’t that good enough for trump?

He just wants the whole gargantuan thing to fulfill his campaign promise. I know you don’t care for trump, or at least didn’t at one point. Not sure why you’re giving him so much credit here.

 

Democrats helped build the first walls on the border.....but sure, now the propaganda machine is telling you to talk about how building walls is ineffective, racist, and a symbol so you're here trying to convince everyone that we've always been at war with Eastasia. I guess that's just how it works.

The additional 5 billion in funding that the Democrats shut the government down over was only going to add like 215 miles to the current 700 miles built by the Democrats that has already proven effective....but sure, that's a reason to go crazy.

I didn't care for Trump when he was a candidate, I don't care for him now, but in this instance, he's not wrong. I supported it when Democrats built 700 miles worth of border barriers, I support it when Trump is attempting to finish the job they started. Too often people radically change their views based solely on what Trump says he supports, it's called "orange man bad" politics and I just can't support it.

 

America wants his central campaign promise.

 

Actually, no, America doesn't. Ignoring that more Americans voted for the other candidate (and if include other candidates, the majority of Americans did not vote for trump). And that ignores that likelihood that people that voted for him had reasons other than the trump vanity wall for voting for him.

And bringing the question to today... the majority of Americans do NOT want the trump vanity wall. Poll after poll shows this. And more important, they don't want their tax money spent on it...which is important because when trump campaigned on his vanity wall, he claimed he would have Mexico pay for it. So its no wonder the majority of Americans now oppose the wall and an even greater oppose the government fund it... they now see they were sold a bill of goods.

 

His blind, conned supporters are not America. They are either complicit traitors, or easy marks.

 

It's absolutely nothing like that. The lobbying process makes it such that candidates who don't participate are in a far weaker position to exercise freedom and less likely to represent the interests of non-lobbyists.

For your analogy to work, you would have to add a condition that someone shoots your dick off if you do/can control your sexual impulses.

 

Curious why you facepalmed the idea that trump is a russian agent... if it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, its a утка.

 

pretty sure the face palm is about "who should be tried and if found guilty shot by a firing squad."

 

Not so sure about this, since more Americans voted for Clinton than Trump.... the midterm was bad for him and his approval rating is hovering at near historic lows.

It doesn’t seem like most Americans want Trump’s agenda.

Politically it doesn’t matter, it is all about political capital and Trump still has some so he may get his wall.

However the idea that “America” wants Trump to fulfill his campaign pledge is silly.

 

OK, so you accept the premise that trump is a russian agent and doing putin's bidding.

btw, I think its wrong to say or write anything that could suggest violence towards the president or any other elected official. It was wrong when republicans did it to President Obama, and its wrong doing it to trump.

 

OK, you can put words in my mouth

 

OK, correct my conclusion then... you said he was facepalming the violence part of the post. Now you are saying he facepalmed the part about trump being a russian agent?

Like I said, if it walks like a утка and talks like a утка, guess what... утка!

 

Your views are sickeningly simplistic and arrogant. I would never say people who didn't vote for HIlary are terrible. It's a group of bitter losers out there who are going around making the political environment sour, and you are part of the problem. You are arrogant if you think that many people are traitors or idiots. Shame on you and others like you.

Sore losers are the worst.

 

First, Hilary lost. Get over it.

Second... Midterms were a nightmare for Dems, who didn't take the Senate. They won a bunch of easy to score territory. That wasn't an election for Trump either, so stop deluding yourself. Dems can't even figure out a person who has a chance to dethrone the "God Emperor" orange Dorito Hitler in the whitehouse (then they vote against gun rights, even though you'd think they'd want one if an actual Hitler was in power).

Third, yes America does largely want it. I don't know a lot of Americans who don't support defending our border, other than a bunch of losers who take positions just because they can't own up to a loss. Instead they drink CNN cool-aid about Russia conspiracy theories because it comforts their ego, because they are losers. Who lose. And can't accept it.

I didn't say all of America. I said America. I mean the one's who put that man in the white house with our election system. Sorry if you have to cling to popular vote, but that's a loser's argument. Go around the country. Each region is like a different country. The system we have is to prevent one from being over represented. Of course, that's a whole different story. Not my job to teach you what you should have picked up in a high school govt class.

 

There is nothing to get over. I don't contest that Trump is the President. The point being that "America" is waiting with bated breathe for Trump to fulfill his central campaign promise is over the top. He didn't even get the most votes in the election. There is no massive ground swell of the majority of American people waited anxiously for Trump to complete his vision.

LOL if you think that the midterms were a disaster for democrats, then there isn't much to discuss.

Also, of course the democrats do not know who is going to win their nomination. Did the Republicans know that Trump would be their nominee years before the election? Did the Republicans know it would be GW Bush? Did the democrats know it would be Bill Clinton? Obama?

You are beyond you level of understanding.... just give it up.

Really? Then explain why Trump lost the popular vote? Explain why his approval rating is in the tank? Explain why Trump was considered a negative in the mid term? No, a majority of America does not share the same vision as Donald Trump. It doesn't mean he won't be successful in getting what he wants though.

Also, the democrats are not against border defense. They, both parties, have given money for it and will continue to. Either you are obtuse or simply are not equipped to understand nuance.

Yes, Russian conspiracies........... that are being investigated by a non-partisan government special prosecutor (who is a republican), which was formed and opened by a Republican, who has a superior he answers to that is a Republican.......... and so far has resulted in numerous indictments of high ranking Trump principle members and is an on going investigation....... an investigation that has received approval from congress to continue on.

I have no idea what the outcome of the investigation will be concerning Trump, but the idea that it is some silly Russian conspiracy is laughable......

"I said America"......... what the hell do you think that means? So you mean not the MAJORITY of the country, just his core supporters (that haven't changed their mind?)......... Yeah...... so next time instead of saying America is waiting for Trump to implement his policies, why don't know be more honest and say those that still support the President, which is a minority of the country............ which is what my entire point was, that you don't like hearing, but even you had to admit to be the case.

Also, I made a similar point when Obama was pushing hard for some of his reforms, while he at least carried the popular vote, after the midterm it was debatable that he had a majority of American's agreeing with his position. Still......... anyone that said "This is what America wants" back then, after the polls had him below 50% and after a midterm, was fooling themselves...... it all comes down to political capital.

 

Hmm... the only person that is bringing up Hillary Clinton is you. Hmm...

 

No, Trump's supporters want Donald Trump to fulfill his central campaign promise (which is understandable). However that isn't "America" as it is the minority of people in American.