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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, May 17, 2017.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Big fan of Lawfare and follow Benjamin Wittes (and Susan Hennessey). This has been and always will be a very complex case... hence the time and focus needed in its investigation. I am not a lawyer nor knowledgeable in the law or national security so I follow those that are.
     
  2. NewRoxFan

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    To no one's surprise, the treason-in-chief has been having a tweetrum all morning. Here's a peek...

     
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  4. IBTL

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    Ok here it is folks:
    https://thehill.com/regulation/nati...-sanctions-on-firms-owned-by-russian-oligarch

    So russia let trump know they were going to use the power of their state to try to help win the election.
    Russia offered their help and we have trump and trump jr responding with interest. All fact.

    Then in course of offering state help they went ahead and accepted money in various formats this was consummated june 9th 2016 before the election in a deal in trump tower no less. And stupidly with trump jr present! Its entirely possible trump himself came in for the handshake!

    In that deal they discussed adopted children (code word for) which was tied to the sanctions and ahem their innocent friend one oligarch deripaska and the link above.

    Mueller will find Manafort/flynn possibly even jr proxy accept for trump money from deripaska.
    Trump lifts sanctions which is completion of the deal and link above

    So its is a clear one plus one type of transaction.

    The issue is whether we are ok with foreign govt like russia buying US policy?
    Was that specific act of lifting sanctions and policy after known payment treason or conspiracy or collusion or some definitive law break?

    Not for me/you or even congress to decide and it will be likely a supreme court ruling.

    Trump is at part where he can say of course he wanted help from russia, of course he wanted money and the trade of money for sanction lift ( the 'being smart' defense) and of course i lifted sanctions for that money jr manafort and flynn are holding for me!! trump can say he cut a deal for manafort flynn and jr. And say 'so what? Whats the big deal?'

    The question then is whether or not it is illegal to accept payment for policy? Is that illegal? Impeachable?

    What you gonna do about it supreme court?
    Weird how this all comes down to squee
     
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  5. Blatz

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    So you are admitting that this is very bad if it's true and Trump needs to be held accountable for the actions against The United States? You are not going to change your tune to "of course he did all that, that's how deals work"
     
  6. MojoMan

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    If it were true, of course. But so far it looks to me to be a TDS generated establishment left and media enabled fever dream.
     
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  7. dobro1229

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    Steve Bannon said himself regarding the Trump Tower Meeting - “the chances of them not walking them up to the next floor to meet Trump are zero”.

    The big question you posed (whether “we” are okay with US policy being bought off) is certainly yes to the Right. They know Trump is bought off they just will never admit it because they cannot lose their culture war with libs and brown people. In the meantime there is an obvious growing acceptance on the right for shaping our own government to mirror that of the structure of the Russian oligarchy. It’s very widely accepted to the right now and while they won’t admit it, for the US to become Russia 2.0 would not alarm them one bit.

    However if it was a country like Iran buying off US policy, everyone wouid have a problem with that on both sides because nobody wants the US to adopt Iranian culture and policy. That’s the big difference here. It’s all about culture acceptance and adoption.

    Russian culture fits with the Right. If they didn’t give their rubber stamp of approval Trump would’ve been impeached a year ago.
     
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  8. IBTL

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    Is it illegal to give campaign meta data to foreign intelligence to help with campaign? Is it illegal to have state sponsorship of a candidate? Thats just being smart and wanting to win right?
     
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  9. IBTL

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    You are saying the right but in this case supreme court will set the precedence it will be a very huge decision in whether or not we allow foreign money and even any money to influence policy and presidential policy
     
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    That would be against the Federal Elections Campaign Act of 1974.

    https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/
     
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    Just a reminder, the two people that appear to benefit from the complete dismantling of American institutions are trump and putin...
     
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  12. IBTL

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    Then what? Which part broke what from the 1974 law?

    clearly putin is biggest winner and good day to be a russian oligarch.
    Trump wasnt planning on winning so this foreign state help was all gravy.
     
  13. IBTL

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    Is it treason collusion conspiracy to lift sanctions for an oligarch buddy that paid you? This is just like a pardon but but an oligarch buddy. Should be cool right?
     
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    Coming soon some tidbits-
    1) removing sanctions for friends is sorta 'no big deal' for presidents to do
    2) deripaska isnt so bad. Misunderstood good guy who is taking less than 50% now in the agreement the swell guy
    3) doing business with shady cats in russia is smart
    4) trumps always hated sanctions
    5) it was just a campaign contribution happens to be from an oligarch
    6) foreign state sponsorship for president is cool
     
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  15. No Worries

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    FIFY.
     
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    Comrade Trump has done a good job for his good buddy.
     
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    https://themoscowproject.org/explai...rs-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

     
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    1. Accusation
    2. Trump vehemently denies it (and his followers believe him)
    3. Trump claims others did it
    4. Trump lies to try and discredit accusers.
    5. Evidence comes out to support the accusation
    6. Trump claims, even if it is true, he knew nothing about it
    7. Evidence shows that Trump knew about it and/or partook in it
    8. Trump lies to try and discredit the evidence.
    9. Evidence proves he was involved and has been lying the entire time.
    10. Trump claims that it isn't a crime.

    We are rapidly approaching #7, if we're not already there.
     
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  20. No Worries

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    The Russians are our friends. Practically the 51st state.
     
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