Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

byron has been invited to review all the evidence Mueller has gathered to come to the above conclusion. Oh wait...

 

Now they need to provide solid, direct, concusive evidence to back this up, or this is going to go down as the most spectacular act of politically motivated corruption in US history, hands down, case closed, game over.

If they cannot prove these outlandish charges then it wil be time for the people involved in this attempted deep-state coup to themselves be put in prison.

It is put up or go to jail time for the ringleaders of what increasingly appears to be a politically motivated hatchet job.

 

In due time, in due time. And undoubtedly, you will continue to defend trump... defending the indefensible.

 

Our President is compromised by Russia.

 

If there is something to this trump and russia thing i hope they will move on it asap to get all this out in the open so we can on to the countries business get the government back to work.

 

But we all know what's really coming.

 

Lol, brainwashed

 

In the Oval Office...

...sharing classified information.

 

I think he wants this to get so nasty and ugly that the country is pulled to their corners in a way that hardens his support because the Right despises the left that much.

He wants to push Dems to the point where they will overreach early and pay a big price. The way he stays in power is to keep on convincing his 40% that the other side is worse and they are damn near always ready to find an excuse to make that case.

I do think he thinks he can push them to impeach him. I really do. And the earlier the better for him. I think he wants that fight because it will make his base absolutely hate the Dems with a passion and flock to his corner no matter what.

Classic divide and conquer. It’s his thing. He’s previewed this over and over with the stupid kneeling thing and a bunch of other manufactured controversies designed to divide culturally so he can Harden his supporters.

 

Or at least get them to prematurely go after him and deeply divide the country much more than it is.

It was rumored months ago that Trump actually wanted the Dems to win the House for this very reason. He thinks he can position them as major adversaries to the 40% who will duck back in his corner.

But if he can get them to impeach him before the final Mueller findings come out over something that’s not “murder on 5th Avenue” bad, he’d welcome that fight all day every day.

 

You guys live in a damn cave of nothing but FoxNFriends and Alex Jones bull crap I swear.

Did you miss the part where Trumps campaign chair was briefing and handing over polling data during the campaign to one of Putin’s right hand men?

Did you miss him publicly calling out to Russian to hack Americans?

Did you miss Trump Tower Moscow negotiations with the Kremlin directly?

Did you miss the part where he shared classified information to the Russians in the Freaking Oval Office?

The FBI would be derelict in their duties if they didn’t investigate Trump and Russia. That doesn’t mean they investigated anything politically. If they did they would have already have leaked out information We haven’t seen either through Trump himself in public or through Manaforts attorneys.

Truth is you wouid have had no problem with Mueller’s team investigating Obama back in 2008 for his ties to whatever and you damn well know it. Trump himself called for it and made a political career out of faux smear investigations into Obama being a secret Muslim Manchurian candidate and I bet you joined in the conspiracy theories for years.

Hell... Mueller could very well have investigated Obama and we don’t even know about it. Only reason we know about this one is because Lisa Page was drilled by Congress in an effort to cause pretense for turning this investigation back on the FBI for malfeasance to give people like you what you need to feel like Trump is a victim and you a victim as well.

 

this is the key. Its like any other deal where theres tons of smoke and at some point someone has to call the cops.

In looking into russia it keeps coming back to trump. I personally think trump is not an asset of putin and russia-- in as much as russias best shot.

Russia has been a shithole for a while now and this is a hail mary type of move russia working with trump. I bet there is large sums of payment to trump through enough shell and whatever mechanism that trump is getting paid. Im not sure what the legality is of actively accepting payment for the means of making political decisions? The lifting of sanctions and telling russia they would do it with flynn manafort running those deals its really a matter of where is the money and how legal is that? How legal is it to ask for and get state supported cyber attack and aid in an election? To me its clear he is using the 'aww shucks I didnt know russia would help' when in many ways he didnt and he was thankful for it same way you would accept a $100 from me. So its plausible denial and trumps best 'business moves' are more in the moment conveniences like this. So to be fair you can use the lol all is good! approach. Its kinda like the bone spurs. I mean he wanted to go to nam but he couldnt!

My suspicion is trump and putin have a gentlemens agreement with trump walking with a nice payday down the line. I think they are smart enough to not collect yet. Besides putin wants to know he is getting his moneys worth. Its why you see trump bow down to putin. Its honestly a simple pay out agreement to trump nothing too nefarious and an overall 'be nice to us take care of me scratch my back I scratch yours' its really just low level helping out their oligarch buddy or a land deal here and there. Nothing that when you really looked at it was all that much.. So just an agreement to be nice throw help if can....these guys think they are watching godfather so the sums of money are actually quite small compared to what cheney made from the open ticket iraq war no bid halliburton contracts.

In that sense trump has been a bargain for a country who super power economy can barely hang with italy. I believe trump has similar arrangements with saudi arabia for payout as did obama clinton bush and bush sr. et al.

So the next question is what is treason?
What is obstruction?
Again I think trump will go to the 'aww shucks I didnt know' card and we will have to decide if being a dumbass is punishable. Really this is all monumental precedence concerns that supreme court will have to ultimately decide. My prediction is they will lay down and not be harsh setting a predecence for more outsife financial foreign influence. I dont see the doj being that smart hard line we need them to be about monry since the loopholes are too vague.

Just like clinton nutting on some interns dress, trump could talk this one out and being a dumbass poking an intern with a cigar is as dumbass move as obstructing on twitter but what else can you say?
His obstruction is so obvious you can go to twitter/ quotes etc. and see it. When push comes to shove he can almost go the alex jones route and call it an act. And sad part is likely it is to an extent. Even sadder part is it probably is only for the stupid trump building in moscow and cash considerations. Like we would all be disappointed with the amounts being comically small. But again trump isnt 'selling us out' its more taking a 'small' tip for 'being nice' i do honestly believe trump thinks it that way and in many ways thats what it is. Its amazing what kinds of favors offering to open an ivanka themed spa will do. Trump is pretty inexpensive if you think about it. Its like looking at the list of bought politicians on the comcast deal with net neutrality you had some congress getting a contribution for 10k. These politicians are way cheaper than you think to buy likes and favor. Pretty sad actually.

Lets just hope russia doesnt try to be any more cute with ukraine or nato or any other bs. As long as we are not in nuke state im actually ok with trump getting his side hustle. I think obama probably took a few bucks to be cool on crimea. I just dont think obama was as much of a buddy.

You have to think more of these guys as the low timers they are, trying to suck a few coins out of the register. Sitting around the card table trying to act gangsta.

So we have- getting aid from a state govt for your election. In this case somewhat unwitting.
Its receiving payment for political action.. in this case hooking oligarch homies of putin with sanction lift. The issue here is you will find that trump will be getting paid after the job is done. So chasing down money is somewhat tough now. There are likely communications and conversation of flynn telling russia 'we will do xyz' and manafort saying 'we will do xyz' and there might even be direct talk of them saying here is payment for thst action. The question will be how to tie that to trump since that low level fruit is for dudes like manafort and flynn. Trumps agreement and payday is in a handshake, a wink and putin telling trump 'i got this you are made' and trump winks back.

Its entirely possible that trump is that sloppy but unless you have trump walking to the atm and withdrawing cash from putins debit card I suspect there will be just enough insulation for trump. It sucks but its true.

Really we have to decide how big of a deal is it for a person to run for usa president on the financial backing of another country? Overtly i mean.
Are we ok with in future china having their candidate and saudi arabia having theirs and so on? That is the precedent.

Are we ok with presidents accepting wink agreements and financial considerations from foreign countries to incur favor? We neee to decide now if that is collusion conspiracy treason specific to this as the precedence on this is here now. We have to remember trump is temporary long term precedence is in play.

That goes to decorum and legality of trump openly obstructing a case, witness intimidating etc we have to decide now how tweets and statements of action are interpreted against standards of law. Its like if i say im going 'to kill you' at what point is president liable for what he says? We are at that cross road this is what we have to decide. Most people have a general decorum that trump does not but we now have to further define how we will interpret conspiracy collusion treason against the 'facts' of what takes place. This fact might be something as innocent as a tweet. aww shucks is right!

The final questions are-
Is it illegal/ impeachable to use personal business to overcharge for inaguration and properties used by govt due to being president?

Is it illegal/impeachable to get foreign campaign money funneled in to use as personal piggy bank like the recently closed trump foundation?

Is it illegal/impeachable to set up shell companies with the express idea of silencing porno stars and mistresses to maintain positive public opinion before election? Is that election fraud? No again he can argue its not a good look but not illegal.

Even if russia hacked the voting machines trump can argue an aww shucks it wasnt me defense since it wasnt. Its how we decide to tie or not tie someone. Trump asked them to hack then won then lifted sanctions and made political moves in favor of that country that helped them. Is that illegal or not? I would argue it is but it will be stated that it isnt since you can just say im with china or israel or whover definitively so we have to decide an open ended question of how affiliated are you?

Is it illegal to interwine your finances with outside money, banks, shelters, business arrangements? Trump would call it 'being smart' i call it more luck and fortunate placement past line of decorum most of us would dare cross. Sorta like invoking god for profit as osteen does.
Illegal? Naw? Classy? Of course not! Ethical? No way!

Would you do it? Of course not!My argument is we need truck drivers and bail bondsmen but we dont really need guys like trump. So we should be more harsh.

We need better decorum at least as president so im hoping we can come out of this morally a little cleaner and we look at that when picking our next president. So trump is more slimeball than anything and we all already knew it. But is that illegal or impeachable? No but we really need to lesson learn here.

So its more how we decide to interpret these things and I dont think we have the stones to do much. So it is an enabling precedence to futute more nefarious rulers and putin and trump type guys are already pretty grease bally as it gets. Thats the bit scary part is what about even more nefarious advances? Its a big concern.

Right and if obama was in on stuff he should go to jail too. None of it will ever happen but we need to decide how hardline we are or are not going to be. You saw how hard wall street execs got popped after crash.. or even our buddy oj simpson and that was a long time ago now. Cash rules everything around cream ..point being money and certain level gives you immunity.. They wont get touched and they know. Why you think bush is smiling ear to ear every time you see him? He got paid. Same for obama. They hooked it for themselves. All of them. Know this. Its like watching cycling and knowing the 88th dude on tour de france is juicing. They are all winning the lottery once hit certain marker on stuff like that. Good for them i say but i draw the line when you start using blood of 911 for oil and no bid halliburtons..get a bit sick and throw up in my mouth. Thats just me though.

 

Right. The FBI investigation into whether trump was working for the russians happened just after this meeting, a meeting when no one (at least on the U.S. side) bothered to take notes or provide a transcript.

 

trump's claim no one has been tougher on russia is so laughable. trump continuously praises putin, meets with him in secret, makes excuses and defends putin continuously, even made eyes at putin from across the table. And removed most sanctions and weakened the rest against russians.

Heck, a long thread in D&D is called "putin's Useful Idiot at Work". Other threads: "trump Silent After putin's Nuclear Threat", "Why Won't trump Lash Out at putin?", "Senate Intelligence Subcommittee: putin helped trump", "putin Says Democrats Sore Losers, Praises trump", "Even fox news Was Disturbed By trump-putin Summit".

 

LOL...

 

I don't know if you saw Benjamin Wittes's piece yesterday, it's the clearest exposition I've yet seen on the entire process from beginning to the present.

 

We know what team trump plays for its the trump team.
We have to decide at what point is putting personal interest ahead of the country?

His out is to claim he was always against sanctions of obscure oligarchy.

The act we are trying to surface here is no stance + get paid/favor = change in stance action lift 'agreement execution' We have meetings in trump tower with the son agreeing to it and we likely can follow money to manafort and flynn who obviously are holding for trump daddy to collect. Heck in one of the funnels they even were looking an ivanka spa and a penthouse for putin planned. How sweet.

So it becomes did this money cause trump to do xyz? In this case sanction lift. I would say yes but i predict supreme courts will be able to argue trump has the right to an opinion even after payment thus setting a disasterous precedence of financial payment and gain to not be tied to policy or not.

We see it anyway with lobby groups and political action like nra or pro life.

The real question is was the sanction lift his stance or not before? It will be hard to confirm one way or another.

The fact that he is getting money directly and indirectly and aid to the election is now fact. The issue is can we prove that his action in presidential policy was adjusted due to this payment and connection? Well of course. So the question is are we ok with that and is that legal? I would say no but we are at place where president are allowed to have hard line stance based on preference and not necessarily greater good.

Its hard to argue mindset so supreme court has to decide how direct his stance vs sanction lift was before and after his agreements with putin. If we can see it as transactional and thats what it is then trumps gotta go.. Or we have to accept president is a bought position in sense we can buy policy of the next president and the one after that.

So Trump can argue change of heart and is working off of a bit of a contigency with russia..It would be even more comical if at end putin stiffed him. Would be just the poetic funny gangsta stuff these guys do. trump is rolling that dice anyway and is cool with that since he has saudi on max flow for the moment.

 

Yes it’s such a good explainer of what it means to be a counterintelligence investigation vs a criminal investigation.

Having that part explained makes me think even more than this was more apolitical. A criminal probe presents some sort of evidence to then be made pubic or sent for indictment.

As part of a counterintelligence probe it makes more sense now why the obstruction was put into the same probe as the “collusion” investigation. In the end they are working to figure out how the Russians are directing Russian efforts in the US to be able to counter them, not necessarily with the sole purpose of prosecution. When the probe moved to Mueller it was then put in the hands of a team more designed to prosecute crimes which explains how they worked so fast on the Manafort/Flynn cases to move quickly to prosecution/guilty pleas.

I really just would love to know what evidence they picked up that led them to believe “Russia is DIRECTING Trump or his officials”. My guess is around the time of the Comey firing/Flynn sanctions call with Russians, communications were intercepted to where the Russians told him to act through Flynn and then the FBI saw direct action from Trump.

Which is all just insane that this is even a possible reality.