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Breaking: Trump's Wall

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Dec 18, 2018.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    When pathological liar trump so blatantly and unbelievably lies like this ("an invasion!") it hurts whatever real discussion can be had to address border security...

     
  2. MadMax

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    I think it's somewhat telling that if you were a big supporter of the Bush family or John McCain, that you don't really have a place in today's GOP. I suppose that makes Bill Kristol and Joe Walsh both Democrats now, too. Merely because they don't advocate for Trump.
     
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    Do you Wallers' realize you would be ceding the Rio Grande and thousands of acres from the US TO Mexico?

    So not only are they not paying for it (and frankly that was a stoopid claim) you are actually giving Mexico millions of dollars worth of assets.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    Trump was a big supporter of the Clinton family, does that mean he's not still a Democrat?
     
  5. MadMax

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    Trump is for Trump. Always has been.
     
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    I didn't say she was a dem because she didn't advocate for trump. I said shes a dem because she advocates for dems predominantly.

    You are letting media outlets dupe you with their 'republican' commentators like Navarro or Jennifer Rubin.
     
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    Yeah but that undercuts the point you were trying to make, some of those people are for themselves as well. Trump was always a prominent Democrat, he was even a large Hillary donor at one point. Times change, people change. That was my whole point..

    Some of the most worthless land in the entire country....

    You need to look for a better excuse to do nothing and continue to allow tens of thousands of illegal immigrants (many of them being forced into sex slavery) to pour into the country every month.
     
  8. NewRoxFan

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    https://iop.harvard.edu/fellows/ana-navarro

    Just because intelligent republicans disagree and dislike trump doesn't make them "a Dem".

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._republican_view_you_supported_democrats.html

    If dislike and opposing trump makes republicans "Dems", its a big and growing list:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...d_the_2016_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign
     
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    Trump had two years with a Republican Congress and Senate to get funding for the wall.
     
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  10. Bobbythegreat

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    If you don't have a filibuster proof majority, you don't really have control over the Senate due to the fairly new Senate rules that don't require people to actually filibuster in order to filibuster a bill. If not for that perversion of the filibuster rules, the border funding along with the rest of government funding would have been passed, the Republicans had the votes, just not the votes to overcome the filibuster.
     
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    Which is just what Obama did, quite often. So, I'm assuming you agree this is a good approach?
     
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    This is true, and demonstrates a failure of the Republicans during that time. Illegal immigration has always been a political issue, at least for the past decade or so. Now is no different.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    Kinda like how Republicans came up with a national health insurance marketplace and then called it communism when Obama adopted it. :) But, I like your line of thinking. Trump should flip-flop on this wall thing.

    I see what you're saying politically. But taxpayers and disaster victims (of which I guess I'm both) lose that way.

    It seems to not be too clear on the very basic reason why this claim makes no sense -- whatever additional benefit we get from USMCA we'll get with or without a wall. Any dollar we spend on the wall is a dollar that would otherwise be in our pocket (or really, a dollar we wouldn't have to borrow from our grandchildren).

    Any crisis that hasn't killed you in 31 years isn't a crisis.

    Not sure I understand this point. How is land ceded to Mexico?
     
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    A very reasoned response. I would agree with all of it.
     
  15. BigDog63

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    You can think that all you want. Your thinking will be wrong, but that's not usually an impediment to most people.

    FWIW, arguing in favor of this wall (the $5B) is actually very very easy. Arguing against it is what is hard, which is why those doing so are the ones operating in the abstract...because the facts don't support that argument.
     
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    Except that picture DOES describe a national emergency, as Acosta remains on THIS side of the wall. :)
     
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    The majority party can never be expected to pass anything unless they happen to have a filibuster proof majority. That is the current talking point from from the “BLUE TEAM BAD” collection. No Congress should ever be expected to overcome the deadly potential of a filibuster.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    Arguing against it forces you to ignore 10,000 years of human history while pretending that tens of thousands of people flooding illegally into the country every month isn't a problem, while ignoring the individual recent history of success when it comes to adding walls along the border.

    When you are taking a position based solely on "orange man bad", you get forced into defending really stupid things.
     
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    When the minority party's only goal is obstructionism, then yeah. There was no valid reason to filibuster the spending bill, but Democrats did it anyway and that's why the government is shut down. They knew without the filibuster, it would pass.
     
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    “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” - Mitch McConnell
     

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