I’m not for Trump or his vanity project at all, but pulling money from disaster funding is probably the way to go if he wants to get it done. Usually, if there is a disaster, Congress immediately passes a spending bill to help out so it doesn’t really affect future disaster response. Mainly, the funding would probably limit current efforts of recovery, but that could be remedied in other ways or Congress can add money to next year’s spending bill to help out if there are still projects that need to be funded. It’s also a solution where everyone “wins.” Trump didn’t give in. GOP didn’t give in. Dems didn’t give in.
It’s like you goofy bastards never tire of your silly reach arounds and echoing the same old tired ass rhetoric even when it’s something as simple as a fence for border security.
He's the one who initially proposed it and it was turned down, he then turned down the counter proposal. I agree that a deal should have been made back then, but that doesn't really matter now. Right now, you have a shutdown because Democrats chose to filibuster a spending bill so that Republicans in the Senate couldn't pass it. Since they did that, the government will remain shut down until there is funding for border security that includes expanded physical barriers, something that Democrats have flip flopped on and are now against....just because. That said, the president has a trump card and can just go around Democrat obstructionism, and it looks like he's going to have to play that card. He'll get the border security he promised and perhaps the government can re-open.
you mean a spending bill that congress originally didnt agree to pass for funding for the project they didnt want when they passed the funding bill? cmon man I want to do drugs or blow it on hair gel so i will take it from emergency fund and when I need it for rent / emergency...I will just take it from that and emergency fund... wait what? Thats NOT how any of this works!!
If Trump flip flopped and decided he didn't want border security, that would be the way to get funding for the wall. These morons will oppose everything trump even if they were advocates a few years ago.
Actually it was the senate who came up with the deal... But never the less that is neither here nor there.. The president is playing games with people lively hoods over a stupid wall... The Dems have only controlled the house for a week and the Reps have controlled everything for 2 years. So to blame the Dems is not correct. But again, for this man to playing games with people lives is just bad and wrong, so that he can get his way. Have Mexico pay for the wall like he stated, that was the second part that he promised. T_Man
Except they've already been offering money for border security. They just won't offer money for a wall.
Saying that Republicans have "controlled everything" is intellectually dishonest when you know that obstructionist Democrats in the Senate filibuster everything so "controlling" the Senate means nothing without a filibuster proof majority which they did not have. Looking past that, I know the narrative now is that all of the negative things that happen as a result of an unsecured southern border don't exist anymore since the Democrats flip flopped on border security being an important thing, but that doesn't stop those things from causing people to suffer. You have tens of thousands of innocent people forced into sex slavery, many of them children, who are being brought into the country through the open border every year. There are over 300,000 in Texas alone.....but yeah, who cares about that right? Just another "stupid thing" not worth caring about right? I know that to some it's just playing games, but there are people who actually suffer as a result and it's fairly pathetic. Just a few years ago Democrats acknowledged this but due to "orange man bad" politics, they've been forced to pretend that nothing is wrong and honestly they should be ashamed of themselves for it.
There you go lying again, Trump did not initially propose the deal. but he did agree to a deal and the backed because Miller and Kelly balked.
Just so it’s clear to everyone following along, now the resident iamverysmart bully of special needs children is trying to convince us that the majority party should never be expected to pass legislation unless they have a filibuster proof majority. That’s where we’re at.
Typical trump lie. And even with heroin in place, it misleads since the vast majority of drugs come through entry points so a wall would have no impact. But trump will tell any lie to get his vanity wall.
This is so stupid. It doesn't matter if you build the wall. The amount of money you would have to spend on manpower to actually make a 1,954 mile wall effective makes the cost of the wall look like chump change. Trump needs to negotiate a worker verification system. That would have a bigger impact on curtailing illegal immigration than a stupid wall/fence.
This is probably the most ridiculous take that for whatever reason I keep hearing. It's like people don't realize that it takes MORE manpower to secure a border without a physical barrier than one WITH a physical barrier....so effectively what you are advocating is the route that by your own admission would make the cost of a wall "look like chump change". It's just odd. Humans, even Democrats, have known this obvious fact, that it takes more manpower to protect something without a wall or physical barrier than it does one with a wall or physical barrier, for 10,000 years and yet Democrats conveniently forgot everything about it just a few years ago.
I'm not arguing that having a wall will secure the border better. I'm saying we currently don't have the manpower to cover the border with or without the wall. Congress isn't going to give that to Trump even if he uses emergency funds to build the wall. Thus, the wall will be useless.
The point is that if you build the wall, it makes it MUCH easier and cheaper to secure the border. Since you have a limited number of boots on the ground, you build a wall to stretch that manpower. Right now you have something like 20,000 Border Patrol agents, that's right at 10 agents per mile. With a wall and decent surveillance equipment, that's sufficient to secure the border. Without a physical barrier, that's not enough to stop people from making it in. With a border barrier you can have a relatively few number of Border Patrol agents stop a large number of people from attempting to illegally cross which is what they had to do in Tijuana. If there wasn't a border barrier, it would have taken a LOT more people and a lot more force to prevent this group from pushing through. I don't see a better solution given the demand to illegally cross into the country.
