The point is, are Ryno + Melton worth more in trade than Chriss + Knight. If yes, then maybe we don't have such a horrid start to the season, and still have better trade value. I'm coming around to Knight, since he's shooting better, but that was a looong time to have nothing on the court....when you could have waited on the trade. We can even argue that Paul was overworked, because of it. I never understood the rush to save Tilman money, when it has zero effect on our ability to spend, since we wouldn't have more exceptions or caproom anyhow.
From @Nook it sounds like MDA wanted Anderson gone. Not looming on the bench as a distraction as someone that was not going to play. (and can't even play for the Suns which is beyond amazing).
Yet, we have quotes from Anderson in the first month with Suns that he is embracing not playing, and at peace helping the youngters practice and learn...an end of the bench mentor. And let's be real: Morey's been trying to trade him forever. I seriously doubt MDA forced anything. More than likely, Morey just asked him if he wanted to keep him, and he said, "nah, go ahead and do what you need to do," and ppl misinterpret that as this was MDA expecting a lowkey player like Ryno to create lockerroom turmoil.
To be real, I don't think it is an "either/or" thing. 1) They didn't want Anderson 2) There is LT savings (11M?) 3) They took a flier on Knight as a more usable player 4) They broke up the contracts. Created an expiring contract 3.2M of Chris to parlay for the trade deadline
Yes. MDA wanted Anderson gone before camp and was pretty insistent on it. Anderson really wanted out too. I know that at one point Anderson was asked asked to change his contract to facilitate a trade to Phoenix. I don’t know if he did. Morey valued Chriss’ contract as a way to add a piece in trade. As far as the desire to save TF money; it impacts the future of the team. TF has told Morey to be bold but we are limited in some ways.
MDA cannot really force Morey to anything but he made it clear he didn’t want Anderson coming back and possibly disturbing chemistry.
Thank you... it also shows Anderson wanted out. FWIW I think we all three are saying almost the same thing. There were a lot of motivations pushing for Anderson’s exit. The MDA motivation surprised me a bit at the time because I did not realize how big MDA was on chemistry.
I think of you as a smart poster, but I don't see how you think Ryno or Melton would have a impact on the slow start to the season.
Sure there is natural value to an expiring contract - for bad teams , teams looking to escape the repeater tax and in general those who are looking to create actual cap space the following season No , competitive teams or teams expecting to operate over the cap don't value expiring's … As for why a larger deal is more valuable - it simply allows you to bring in that much more salary above your current state. The difference between Ryno and Knight is some $6m in actual returning salary. $26m puts you in the ballpark for the vast majority of NBA players with little added salary required.
That is indeed surprising. I have never suspected that Ryno would be a distraction or a detriment to the team chemistry. Maybe it also explains the quick termination of the Melo experiment.
Well, he wanted to play enough to shave $5m of guaranteed money off his contract. However, he also hasn't complained one iota with the Suns, and has actually voiced being a peace with not playing. And that was after he probably got some type of playing time promise in order to shave that $5m off... ...or his hot Wifey just wanted to move to Arizona. I'm going to assume MDA didn't actually tell you that personally. Forgive me if he did. Not even Melo was capable of disturbing chemistry. I think something got lost in transition, if you're telling me MDA didn't think he could handle a very lowkey personality like Ryan Anderson. I have no problems believing anything you tell us, but this one requires me to dismiss: 1) Ryan is not a trouble-maker, and left $5m on the table, yet hasn't complained at all for being benched with Suns, 2) a lot of my belief-system wrt elite player coaches, who don't fear losing their jobs at all -- like Rudy and MDA and Riley. If there is anyone in the league that could get players to be at peace with coaching decisions -- and we know Ryan in fact is at peace on the Suns -- it's guys like MDA and Rudy, especially since it would be obvious to MDA that the bench was really weak. I have trouble tossing Ryan and MDA under the bus as two men who can't be more business-like, because the game isn't that dramatic for them. That said, I'm sure it wasn't hard for Morey to convince MDA that this was the best shot at the time to secure playable replacements, given that Bzdelik wasn't really available to lobby for keeping the talented, defensive rookie.
Plus there was no guarantee Melton would have any real value once the season started... they capitalized on a good summer league and dealt him while his value was high. Now he has proven his worth this season but if he would have been sent to Rio Grande I don’t think that happens.
How many teams have a player making 26 million that they would offer in a straight up trade for a guy who can't get rotation minutes? And how many of these guys can contribute to a contender.
Man you are making a lot of assumptions and calling a poster out because he says something that doesn't jibe with what you want to believe. And you assume Bzdelik would have been lobbying for untested rookie. LOL.
Anderson reduced his 2019-20 guarantee amount to be the same amount as Knight’s 2019-20 salary ($15.6M). Enough to potentially help PHX save some money if they cut him in 2019, but not so much to make it a very palatable alternative.
5) They wanted to be able to aggregate salaries in another trade as soon as possible during the season. I think this is the reason the trade was 'rushed'. I would also strongly argue that Ryan Anderson scratching his balls on the end of the bench, and Melton not playing at all, would have meant the trade was not possible without adding further assets. We got lucky because Phx thought they were getting a contributor in Anderson, and a future talent in Melton - but every day that ticked past his outstanding summer league play made him less valuable (would Donte Greene have been enough for MWP after he played in season?) - meaning we needed to add pick/s to ditch Anderson.
Can't expect a lot from Ryan Scrubberson. The trade was so bad fir PHX its part o0f the reason their GM got fired. HP or whoever are insisting that if the trade wasn't done we wouldn't have a slow start is just being dumb, Scrubberson is so bad he cant even get on the Suns he would have been a detriment every time he stepped on the court. And while Melton would have gotten PT, he also isn't a stud so maybe he is out of the rotation anyway and would be playing in the Gleague this year. Of coure both these guys would play better with Hardeb and Cp3 but everybody plays better with Harden and Cp3. The guys on the roster now play better on their own adn with Harden and Cp3.
