I think you're misunderstanding how bad Andersons contract is. It is enormous, and he is unplayable in the NBA. You can't use his salary for matching purposes because it is simply too big. It needed to be broken down into smaller chunks. There is a cost to doing this, that cost would be a first round draft pick or 2 to ditch the contract. Morey traded away a 2nd rounder to ditch the contract, and brought back some low risk high reward potential in the forms of Knight and Chriss. If neither one works out in any way shape or form, then we still win the trade because we got rid of an untradeable contract for the measly value of a 2nd round pick. Further, the Rockets saved a LOT of $$ on the deal (approx $11 million). Melton is currently shooting 39% and 33 from 3.. For this to be a bad trade, he needs to be an asset the Rockets could not easily replace - think high level starter or something. I would argue that Austin Rivers is a far better player, and cost nothing to acquire. Losing Melton is no big deal at all - UNLESS you are convinced he is a long term NBA starter (not seeing it - sorry!) The trade was simply about converting one very large spoonfull that nobody would swallow into 2 mouthfuls that might possibly be tradeable. Knight is a career 15ppg guy - if he is playable at all by the end of the season, then his asset value is far higher than Anderson or Melton, and he is an expiring next year.
We could've use Ryan's contract to match Butler just like we tried with Knight and Chriss. Could've costed us a 2nd rounder more? Maybe, not a big deal i guess. Ryan Anderson in the last year/s = trash player with a 40Mx2 year deal Brendon Knight in the last year/s = trash player with a 30Mx2 year deal Sure, 30M in 2 years is still better than 40, but when you have to move that to teams rebuilding (those willing to take on long term salary), i'm not sure how much of a difference those 5M are. If i'm Atlanta/Cleveland i don't give a single **** if the Rockets want to dump on me a 15M contract or a 20M one, i stil ask them two 1st rounders or one with a decent/good prospect to eat that, that's what i'm saying. And it seems like the situation might very well be this one, if other teams are asking two 1st rounders, well, that's what SacTown was asking for Ryan 15 months ago. Not sure why you think Knight in terms of contract has much more value than Anderson, i mean, it might be true, but by how much? I don't think a rebuilding team is going to leave one more 1st rounder on the table cause they're taking back 15M instead of 20, in fact i think they would rather get one more pick and eat on 5M more. If Knight would've been so easy to move we would've done that already, and in fact it looks like we tried but couldn't cause other teams asked for too much, just like they did for Anderson. Low risk-high reward in Chriss and Knight? Come on, that's not true, Chriss has been a certified bust at this point, again, there's a reason the Suns gave him up and after less than two months we didn't pick up his option for the next season, dude has just been used as an expiring contract to save some money, nothing more, he has no value at all, Rockets never saw him as value in this trade. Knight has been one of the worst contracts in the league in the last couple of years cause even when he was healty he was decent at best, could score in an inefficient way, meh defender, bad iq, just not a good starter in a good team. We agree on the $ saved, but that's about it, again, at least as today. As for Melton, i don't understand what Rivers has anything to do here, he has been better as today, i guess, how good he was in Washington though? He was better than Melton? How would Melton look playing with James Harden, Chris Paul, Clint Capela, PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon here instead that with those scrubs in Phoenix? I mean, yeah...as today we don't need Melton as a player, would still be great to have him as an asset instead of Chriss, and maybe even as a player in few months when we might very well be unable to resign Rivers.
Rivers is a backup PG we signed during the season. Melton was a backup PG we had before the season started. If Rivers offers more than Melton did, then Melton was a lazy asset - very expendable. You spend those assets all day to dump a bad contract if you can replace them easily, for no additional cost. Using Melton to dump Anderson and save $11million, then bringing in Rivers at the minimum = $10mill in saving for spending a second round pick. How did we lose?? We just sold a second round pick for $10 million. Am I missing something? And yes, Anderson at $20mill could be used to match Butler. You'll notice that wasn't what Minny wanted. Dumping $20mill is quite difficult, getting rid of a 14 and a 4 is much easier. There are simply so many more contracts in the NBA that can potentially match those. And we can use the 2 first rounders we didn't spend to sell Anderson to combine with either of those 2 contracts to bring back a rotation player. I'm really not quite sure you're seeing this very clearly? Perhaps an over-emotional investment in Melton? An irrational belief that either of Knight or Chriss had to contribute something? Anderson's sole contribution, if here, would have been to sit at the end of the bench picking his nose.
Melton is not one of the best rookies coming out in last year's draft, he is only the 3rd best rookie on his own team. Melton would have been playing here over who? Austin, Green, House, Ennis Gordon, maybe Ennis but that is a huge maybe.
You're putting Rivers into a conversation about a trade we made months ago, i'm not sure how i'm the one missing something and regardless of the on court value, there's the asset value. Minnie didn't want Anderson just like they didn't want Knight, then again i agree it might be easier to move, but can we assume it's going to cost us less value to move him over Anderson than what we lost by giving away Melton? If we end up moving him for a 1st than maybe yes, if not eh... As for Melton i liked him a lot, yeah, but i don't think this make me irrational, at least not more than who thinks Knight is much better value than Anderson when everyone knows you have to dump him and only few teams are willing to take him back. Than sure, we can use those two 1s rounders we would've use to dump Anderson to dump Knight, not sure how that's a good move for us, in fact would be horrible long term, especially if we won't get back a solid player in the process, and i have a very difficult time seeing that happen. Are you ok with moving two 1st rounders with Knight to get Bazemore? If so we simply disagree.
I guess you missed the summer league, and i said considering he was drafted in the second round he was one of the best rookies out there. Melton here would've certainly played over the nothing we had before we got Rivers, and we don't know how good he would've been here of course. I'm going to ask you again, how good was Rivers looking in Washington? Where did i said Minnie wanted Anderson?
Please don't be difficult! We used a 2nd round pick to dump Anderson. Who that second round pick is, is quite irrelevant. However you are saying that Melton has some viability as a potential rotation player I am pointing out to you that we replaced that asset FOR FREE with a (much better) rotation player (who is already proven and can contribute now). Do you still not see the relevance of Rivers? We sold a second round pick for $10million to Phx. And you think we lost the trade because.... ?
Summer league? You have got toto be kidding me, how did John Lucas and Donte Green work out? You said he was one of the best rookies drafted don't try and back away now, anyway you have a irrational love of Melton it's clear now but at least let us see what happens to Knight before we the the day. Melton would not have definitively been playing here since he was playing in G league about 3weeks ago and that was with a team who has not cracked 10 wins yet. also you said we could have matched Butlers contract with Anderson and I asked you why would minny want Anderson?
I was going to talk about his defense & how maybe Paul would be on the court (less playing time) with the Rivers/Melton role filled. BUT with the your last statement there is nothing to say. It was a huge trade for us.
In judging a trade we made before he was even available? Why not? That's what we were talking about. With that said, i guess we've simply to agree to disagree here bro, you see it as we got rid of a terrible contract with a generic 2nd rounder, i see it as we swapped a terrible contract with a one a bit less terrible by moving a good asset.
If you compare Melton to Donte Green we simply disagree, but we'll see how he turns out Read my post on page 49, i said "all things considered", i didn't repeat that in this page to be quicker. About the Butler trade i answered you we could've make it work in terms of salary with Anderson instead of Knight, you said i wrote Minnie wanted Anderson over Knight...? If you meant to ask "why would Minnie want Anderson?" i'd say they wouldn't have want Anderson, just like they didn't want Knight cause yeah, both players have no value, or better, negative value. At least we can agre with this i think.
You're saying it right now. That we lost the trade because we lost a 'good asset'. Inferring that you think Melton is irreplaceable and nobody on the current roster can produce what Melton could potentially produce for us. I got news for you. MCW was producing what Melton would have. Standing on the sideline waving the towel and smiling. Rivers is a superior asset. As soon as the season starts all the 'potential' that untried NBA players have is gone. Morey sold WAY HIGH on Melton, utilising him in place of 2 first round picks to dump Anderson on PHX. And then the kicker came along. The season started and Melton played and oops. Just isn't that good - easily replaceable by a minimum contract veteran (which Morey did). It doesn't appear that anyone understands where you are coming from? We sold a second round pick for 10 million and upgraded the productivity that roster spot would have given us. Win.
Inferring or are you just assuming? Cause i don't think i ever said Melton was irreplacable or did i? We were judging the trade right? Well, that's what we should talk about, not about what we got after in a separate scenario. By your logic guys like Clark and House would've been down wasting time on the G-League right now, i got news for you too, you would've been wrong. Then sure, it seems like no one understands where i'm coming from, i guess that's why once the poll got remade, the votes completely overturned and 80% of the voters had my same view.
Yes! We should judge the trade. We traded a 2nd round pick for $10million. You think we lost? Your argument relies upon Melton being an excellent asset, not one that is easily replaceable (ie, by Rivers). If we replaced Melton easily (for the vet minimum) AND upgraded that roster spot, then what was the point of keeping Melton? Use the 2nd round pick to dump a bad contract and make $10million in the process. Win.
We traded Anderson and Melton for Knight and Chriss, i think as today we lost the trade, yes Again, in judging that trade, my argument relies on the fact that we 100% lost an asset and imo also a good player, to swap a bad contract with another one to save money going forward and to get some flexibility. But until we see how much we have to give up to dump Knight, or what we can get back by moving him and at which cost, i think the trade is not good for us.
you are making no sense I'm sorry but none of this makes sense, you are all over the place. Bottom line I think the flexibility and long term savings is enough of a value alone and you still have Knight to trade or be a rotation piece.
You already admitted 30M is better than 40 lol not sure what you are arguing. If 30M is better than 40M then that is already reason to do the trade. BK and Chriss are just gambles that didnt pay, Morey bet that those two would be more useful than Scrubberson and they turned out jist as useless. But then again as you say 30M>40M and Melton hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire so Morey isnt losing sleep over this trade.
