Hmmm... In 2017 wasn't there a deal on the table for the Wall money and DACA? So I understand that you are saying things can be difficult and challenging; but none of this makes sense... If there was a deal how is this a Democrat problem with the shutdown. I am neither a Republican or Democrat T_Man
That's what he was calling for last night though....so.... No, saying that there is a crisis does not mean that there wasn't a crisis before. There has been a crisis on the border for 30 years now and it's past time to do something about it. Also, your talking points were suggesting that there was a crisis at the border less than a year ago, or have you forgotten that already? Remember when the talk was about "concentration camps" and "tent cities" due to all of the people caught after illegally crossing the border and then claiming that they were actually "refugees"? What happened? Is that no longer a "crisis" anymore because you can't use it for political gain?
If it's been going on for 30 years it is more likely status quo than a crisis. We haven't been nor are we now in any kind of a crisis. There is a problem with illegal immigration, but it isn't a crisis. Separating families and denying people the right to legally apply for refugee status is much closer to an actual crisis.
Trump offered DACA for a physical border, but it was rejected by Democrats. The Republicans passed a bill in the house that would have funded the government and paid for border security, it had the votes to pass the senate so in order to prevent it from being passed the Democrats filibusterd it which shut down the government. That obstruction is the ONLY reason the government got shut down and it'll stay shut down until either they come to their senses and take border security seriously or until Trump gives up on them and declares an emergency in order to go around them.
trump can't even tell the truth about something as simple and straightforward as whether his vanity wall is made from concrete or steel with sharp points on top...
Are you referring to the election in November when Trump’s party was throroughly beaten? Or the election two years ago that Trump won, when he ran on the promise that Mexico was paying for the wall?
No, it's been a crisis that continues to be ignored. That's how the US ended up with the worst illegal immigration problem in the entire world. You won't have to separate any families if they can't illegally get into the country. Building a physical border is a win-win situation for everyone....except for Democrats who decided a few years ago to flip flop and pretend that building physical borders is a bad thing all of a sudden after a history of supporting them.
Gaining seats in a midterm for the party in power is a very rare thing, yet it happened. I get that you guys need to spin it after all the laughable talk of a "blue wave" didn't pan out. Barely taking the house and losing seats in the senate will allow for some new levels of obstructionism, but it wasn't much of a victory.
Do you not understand or are you intentionally spreading a false narrative? Democrats believe and support a physical wall and barrier in areas where it is effective. They have always done that and continue to do that today. Democrats have never advocated a 2000 mile wall along the border. They don't advocate that now. There has been zero flip-flopping on this issue by Democrats. Either you don't understand that, or you are being dishonest when you make the claim.
IMO, border security is not the same as Border Control. Trump is talking about Border Control, and trying to raise it to the level of importance of the phrase border security. Without getting into semantics of proper use, don’t you at least agree that Border Control is not exactly synonymous to Border Security, the later can very much include things Homeland Security does, which is very much a bipartisan effort. So, I think taking border security seriously already exists. We are just arguing over a Wall to control movement....that’s what I call Border Control.
That's an outright lie. Democrats USED to support a physical barrier before Trump was a thing, now they are calling it "4th century technology" that is "immoral". When you have to lie to defend the new talking points, it just makes it not worth it. Perhaps it's just that you don't know any better, but there's a LOT of the border without any physical barrier where it would be effective and those are the first places that the new barriers would go up....or rather will one way or the other be it Democrats in congress coming to their senses and putting the country before politics or through an emergency declaration. One way or the other it is going to happen.
I think that you can't have any true border security while you can simply walk into the country in over 1000 miles of the border....and while we're measuring those that get caught doing so in the tens of thousands every month.
Oh you just sound salty man. Still. Holding onto the Mexico pays for the wall thing. Really, seemed like Trump made a stupid promise in the heat of a rally, not that it was a good move. And he still got Mexico to pay for it with the money from the trade deal if you think about it in the long term. Trump messed up by not getting the wall done before the election. Now he has to push the dems to face the crisis facing our nation.
agree with this. folks should just file it away along with "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" and move on.
No, what I said was the truth. You can check. You are conflating what they are calling Trump's idea of a full border-long version of wall as 4th century technology. They are correct to do that. They have and still do support the existing walls. There is zero record of them suggesting we allow those to fall into disrepair. Being against Trump's wall across the entirety of the border isn't the same as being against all walls. Democrats position has been consistent. The question is whether or not you don't understand the difference or if you are being intentionally dishonest.
