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I will shut down the government. I will take that mantle

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    Lindsey Graham says Trump's presidency is finished if he caves on the border wall funding issue. So get ready for the long haul.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ly-end-his-presidency/?utm_term=.53d0ece5e365

     
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    Interesting position to take. You'd think he would be in better shape if he listened to the American people...
    • The majority of Americans (56%) oppose the wall.
    • A larger majority of Americans oppose the shutdown.
    • Over 47% of Americans blame trump for the shutdown (only 33% blame Democrats).
    • Only 25% of Americans support trump shutting down the government over the wall.
    • Only 35% of Americans want money to to be included for the wall in the congressional spending bill.
    • The latest Gallup: only 39% of Americans have a favorable opinion of trump

    Sources: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...icans-blame-trump-government-shutdown-n952466
    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...rumps-wall-funding-demand-call-for-compromise
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/203207/trump-job-approval-weekly.aspx?version=print
     
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    yeah, well . . . misplaced faith in numbers is what got us Trump in the first place
     
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    Lindsey is goading Trump.
     
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    Perhaps... but also possible, a number of people voted for trump but didn't honestly answer pollsters' questions. Heck, here in D&D, a number of people now claim they didn't vote for trump or don't support trump. All it took was a small number of people in a few key states voting for him to swing the election.

    btw, there were polls in the last week that showed trump leading and a number more that showed the election within the error... I know, it doesn't support the speaking point that the pollsters aren't accurate.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
     
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    trump reasserts ownership of the government shutdown (if anyone ever doubted it)...

     
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    Trump won't lose in a long shutdown . . .

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nt-lose-long-shutdown/?utm_term=.0ae4f9b0b26c

    Trump won’t lose in a long shutdown
    By Henry Olsen
    January 3 at 2:51 PM
    Henry Olsen is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and author of “The Working Class Republican: Ronald Reagan and the Return of Blue-Collar Conservatism.”

    We’re into Day 13 of the partial government shutdown, and there’s no end in sight. Common wisdom says the longer this lasts, the worse the politics will get for President Trump. I disagree.

    Trump isn’t likely to suffer politically because he’s not doing anything his supporters find objectionable. A Quinnipiac poll last month found that 43 percent of Americans, including 86 percent of Republicans and 45 percent of independents, support building the wall. Support for the wall is so high among Trump supporters that even Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) said this week that he supports it while blasting the president’s character in a Post op-ed. When your most prominent internal critic supports your position, you know you’re dealing from strength.

    Now that Democrats run the House, they will increasingly bear some political responsibility for ending the crisis. Americans generally want both sides to cut deals in the national interest, and that’s likely to be as true in this case as in others. People didn’t want the government to be shut down, but now that it is, they’re likely to want a deal to get it back open. That plays into Trump’s hands — as long as he demonstrates that he’s willing to deal, too.

    There are pretty much only three ways this ends. The first — a Democratic cave-in — is unlikely, but it would be a big win if it happens. The second, a deal that would give the president some funding for the wall, would be a win for Trump with his base — he fought and won. But even the third, a Trump cave-in after a long holdout, should play well with his base, too.

    Trump backers are likely to believe his argument that Democrats' intransigence shows they don’t care about the border. If he holds out for a month or more, then gives in, only the most ferocious wall advocates will say he didn’t keep his promise to fight for the wall. Ann Coulter might abandon Trump in that event, but almost none of his backers would follow her.

    The common wisdom is right about one thing, though: This standoff won’t help Trump expand his support. He had only a 45 percent job approval rating in a recent CNN poll. If he can’t increase that to closer to 48 percent, he’s going to have an extremely hard time winning reelection unless Democrats nominate someone who proves to be nearly as unpopular as Hillary Clinton. Fighting for a wall opposed by virtually everyone who disapproves of him now is not the way to expand his support.

    But that is in the future. Indeed, by fighting so publicly and strenuously for the wall now, Trump is building up chits with his base that he can cash if and when he makes a big move to expand his base later in the year.

    So for Trump, a continued shutdown is a political win no matter what the outcome. Expect the shutdown to go on for quite a while until House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) grow tired of the battle and move to shift the political war to a new battlefield.​
     
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    What if TSA agents walk off the job?

     
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    trumpsters hatin' on the FBI, then the military... and now TSA? :confused:
     
  14. Os Trigonum

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    I find it hard to believe that Kevin Ruins Everything is some sort of Trumpian conspiracy. surely you got something better than THAT . . .
     
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    I rarely if ever use winkies... I did in this case. Should have been a clue...
     
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    I don't think that's a winkie. that's a confused. don't really know what that means in this context.
     
  17. NewRoxFan

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    Sorry, I call all "emoticons" winkies. And again, I rarely use them when I am serious.
     
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    Funny how this is coming from trump's lead adviser...

     
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    Five republicans crossed the aisle to approve the House short term CR. Now goes to Senate.

     
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    Which is more true?
    Harden doesnt play defense
    Polls are inaccurate
     

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