I will shut down the government. I will take that mantle

Well that's feeble minded of her because you can't have that kind of healthcare policy without solving the illegal immigrant problem...I mean, Medicare for everyone is infeasible as is, but when you have 12 million in the country illegally and tens of thousands more adding to that population every month, it's REALLY infeasible.

So honestly, if it was a priority to her, securing the border should also be a priority to her.

Absolutely. In the end, they'll decide that having the government running is more important than merely preventing the president from getting a win. I think it'll take quite a while for them to realize that and it'll probably lead to Trump winning re-election and taking back the house, but eventually they'll figure it out.


Also, you can go to that red herring nonsense as much as you like, I'm not going to bite and let you derail the conversation with it simply because you know you lose when staying on point.

 

I'm pretty sure any medicare for all system would benefit legal citizens only.

You really should check the polls there. No one but Trump's hardcore base, people like you, are for the wall. Moderates don't care for it and liberals don't want it. When you are losing senate seats in Arizona and the California GOP being wiped out maybe you should consider that this rhetoric isn't working out for your party.

Somehow, to you, Mexico paying for the wall (as Trump promised) is off topic and derailing the conversation...about Trump's wall.

Let's remember that it was you on the previous page that constantly said I wasn't addressing your points and you've spent this entire thread ignoring the fact that Mexico was supposed to pay for the wall...

Not only were they supposed to pay for the wall but it was supposed to be a huge, impenetrable, tall, border wall...that Mexico would pay for...that they'd enjoy paying for...and that they would pay for 100% of it.

Your initial feelings on Trump before the election, that he was appealing to racists and he was an idiot...were right...who knows why you've completely changed your tune about him nowadays...maybe its because your entire ideology is BLUE TEAM BAD?

 

I'm pretty sure that's why identity theft is a thing.

I'm pretty sure that "most people" don't care one way or the other and their opinions are highly influenced by what they are told to think. When you have the GOP winning senate seats during the mid-terms, a time when the party in the white house always loses them, it's a sign that your narrative is highly suspect.

Either way, the point is that the wall is something Trump has to deliver on or he's done for. You know this, and that's why you are fighting it so much. It's incredibly transparent. I'm honestly not sure why you even bother given that you aren't going to fool anyone.

 

Let's get this back on topic, if I was to say that I supported a physical border I could point to 89% of those who do the job of patrolling that border saying that a physical border was necessary for them to do their job effectively.

Those who are against it either say something about racism or just some form of "orange man bad".

That's why this conversation never really goes anywhere. I've yet to hear a legitimate argument against building a physical border. If anyone thinks they have one, feel free to chime in.

 

Huh? So just because identity theft is a thing we shouldn't have medicare for all?

I mean, why should we do anything at all since identity theft is a thing?

I agree, your opinions are definitely highly influenced by what you are told to think. Showcased by your past opinion on Trump appealing to racists and then you completely flipping on it the moment he was elected. You even whined about others saying the same thing because BLUE TEAM BAD.

It's really not the Dems job to help Trump deliver promises that are contradictory to their platform. They offered him 25 Billion for the wall earlier in the year, he didn't take it because he didn't want to give 'amnesty' to DACA kids. That's his fault. He's stupid. Now that he can't even offer them DACA protection he has nothing to bargain with and is throwing a tantrum.

It's sad for him and his supporters like yourself but it is what it is. He made a bombastic promise about Mexico paying 100% for the wall and now he's finding that he can't keep it.

So instead the most he will get is a few yards of new fence or maybe nothing at all.

 

Unsurprisingly you aren't following along. What I was saying is that due to identity theft which absolutely will lead to illegal immigrants using the system for free, it means if you want that kind of program, you need to do something about the worst illegal immigration problem in the world. Build a physical border, require a system similar to E-verify for employment and have a system of punishments for any company caught not using it, and when the illegal immigration problem solves itself, you can then talk about literally doubling taxes in order to pay for a Medicare for all program. No system would work with that ridiculous level of illegal immigration....it's kind of why it's important to deal with that problem.

 

I don't think you understand how "identity theft" works in terms of illegal immigrants.

Often undocumented immigrants will use old SSNs from deceased individuals or fake ones hoping the employer doesn't care.

When they do that, the fed government will automatically deducted from their paycheck using that SSN.

What happens is the opposite effect of the narrative that illegal immigrants drain money from the government. What instead happens is the illegal immigrant has their pay check deducted for SS and will never be able to withdraw from SS when they leave or quit. So in reality many working illegal immigrants add money to the SS pool without taking out.

That is the most common form of identity theft from illegal immigration. It's mainly to get a job.

 

Pretty sure he thinks if he just says the word "deal" enough, like "Candyman" or something, things will just magically happen.

 

Not exactly true, the funding passed in the house, and would have passed in the senate if not for a filibuster by democrats.

 

my my how his closet supporters who were downplaying his senile claimd as "just joking" during his initial days off the presidency have now morphed into brown shirt toting members of the dipshit pride parade.

 

Mexico after reading The Art of the Deal has decided to pay for the wall, only after the wall is finished.

 

Well then there is this whole concept of what a deal even is. It’s a term for folks who don’t work daily in a B2B profession.

I can sell 40 hours of professional services and 1000 SAAS licenses to another firm for 2 dollars and a Starbucks gift card, and you can call that a deal. Doesn’t mean it was a revenue generating contract. Doesn’t factor in the element of sales calories burnt that could have gone into more fruitful contract pursuits.

The myth of Trump is just mind boggling to me. I get that people don’t understand professional sales, but to have no basic concept of what “good” looks like in a sale or deal as Trump calls it just makes my brain hurt that so many people can be this dense in such a great country.

 

Knowing when to shut up is one of the most
Important parts of the close.

I don’t think he’s ever made it to that point.

 

thats not true. you trumpublicans do not care that he lies to you and manipulates you. you love it! like he said, he could murder someone on 5th avenue and you trumpbublicans would still love him. there is literally nothing he could say or do that would cost him your support.

also, its not the responsibility of others to provide trump with an unnecessary, expensive and ineffective wall just to appease his brainwashed sycophants. its you trumpublicans fault for being such suckers and believing that he was going to make mexico pay for the wall.

stop being so fixated on political "victories" and start putting the interests of the country first for once! trump should not have made mexico paying for the wall his central campaign promise. its 100% on him and the idea that you want the rest of us to have to cave in just to satisfy his childish ego and make him feel like he "won" is just pathetic. why are you so emotionally invested in this? just because blue team bad?

you trumpublicans are nothing more than cult members. you dont care about this country...you only care about trump. yall are so emotionally invested in him that you ignore the lies and are trying to blame others for trump going back on his central campaign promise...its just pathetic.

you know this, and thats why you are fighting it so much. its incredibly transparent. im honestly not sure why you even bother given that you arent going to fool anyone.

 

Trump could tweet out he built an invisible wall to protect our country and his supporters would believe it.

 

Substitutes BS for deals.

 

It takes a village to raise a president.

Or is it the village idiots who want to raise this president?

 

Beginning signs of mental decline I believe. Trump’s biggest campaign promises were never realistic but he managed to galvanize a group of people with a severe inferiority complex.