Tucker, Bukauskas, C Perez, Armenteros to Cleveland for Kluber The last two names could be changed to anyone in that range that Cleveland likes If you put Kluber in with Verlander and Cole, I can live with Peacock/Young guy who excels in spring for final two rotation spots to start the year Could also deal with an OF of Springer, Brantley, Kemp, Reddick Would also leave us in a position to add salary at the deadline wherever we need it. With our current offense give me those 3 at the front of the rotation, and the ability to leave McHugh in the pen, and I’ll take my chances
My guess is they would rather be “stuck” with him than take a bigger package of lesser guys I just think guys like White and Kemp etc. are guys who help finish off what is an already good club, not the kind of guys you hope to build around. If they deal Realmuto they want guys they can potentially build around. I personally wouldn’t want us to move Tucker for Realmuto, but I don’t think we get him without including him. If I’m moving one of our top 3 prospects (not including Whitley in any deal) I’m going after Kluber
The Astros should expand the deal with the Marlins to Urias and Realmuto. Also no way they are holding onto Reddick if they want Cruz. And they might aim for Mazara with a deal aimed around J.D. Davis and prospects not that high. I would look hard into Castellanos and Fulmer. DH and SP
[Premium Post] Wow, that's a lot to give up -- a package including Tucker and Bukauskas is very rich. Plus Cionel Perez who is one of our few high potential lefties -- to me that's too much, especially for a pitcher who will command a huge salary in Kluber and is entering his age 33 season. Tucker + mid-tier pitching prospect OR Bukauskas + C Perez + mid-tier pitching prospect would be the most I'd offer up. I think Whitley and James are future front-line starters for us, so I don't see a burning need to bring in high priced veteran pitchers. GOOD DAY
In agreement. We are not a SP1 away from World Series rings. We just need pitching depth that has potential. I think our biggest needs can be met by aiming for impact pieces that can be had a reasonable costs. That can be on offense or on the mound.
That’s all fine and well if you want to go into the season with the team we have But all of these offers some of y’all are putting out there are not reality. Cleveland and Miami aren’t giving up Kluber and Realmuto without getting top tier prospects back And I disagree that a guy like Kluber can’t be the difference in winning another title. Adding mid tier pitching is fine IF Whitley or James turns into a stud THIS year, but adding depth simply keeps us “in the mix”. Putting a guy like Kluber in there with Verlander and Cole makes us the team to beat in the playoffs While I think the FO will do all it can to keep the core studs together, this is extremely likely to be the last chance with the core offensive guys plus Verlander and Cole, id prefer we do all we can to win another one, as opposed to keeping prospects off limits in deals for studs. We have some great home grown players, but also have guys like Reed and Martes and others who were deemed off limits and are now organizational depth. Also, I trust Luhnow to keep replenishing the depth on the farm Gimme Kluber over the potential of those guys right now, and let’s roll
The value of Kluber and Realmuto is not equal. Starting SP1 are extremely costly. 3 years of Kluber is going to cost too much. Likely a min of Whitley and Tucker and Alvarez. No thanks.
Lol, yea I’m aware of the cost of an SP1 but if you think it would take all 3 of those guys relax cause Luhnow ain’t giving up 2 of them together much less 3 You could get Kluber for something like what I put together earlier, Tucker, Bukauskas, C Perez, another guy in that range. You also have to be careful to just think a player at a certain position will cost a certain amount prospect wise. Many many factors the greatest of which is the team trading away the player and how motivated they are to sell. That’s why I think your offer around Bukauskas and White would get Realmuto is crazy, they aren’t THAT motivated to move him. Also don’t discount the value of an Ace, you said earlier getting an Ace isn’t the difference in winning it all, while nothing is guaranteed obviously, putting a Kluber in front of Verlander and Cole does much more for a playoff series than any other player we could add to the current group Boston/NY or no one else would want to go into a series and face Verlander, Kluber, Cole
Based on reports about Realmuto and the Marlins, I’d say that in the Marlins are much more inclined to sell Realmuto then the Indians are inclined to sell Kluber. As far as Kluber and his value to our team, I don’t doubt that he would add a ton of value. What I am arguing is not whether or not opposing teams would fear of our pitching rotation. I’m arguing that the value of having an elite catcher that would play in probably 70-80% of our games would be of more value to our current team structure. Also, it’s worth keeping in mind that all it takes is one pitcher to get hot at the right moment in the playoffs to make the difference between winning and losing.
If I were more worried about our division, or regular season standing, I would be more inclined to agree on Realmuto value to our current club. But honestly if we don't win our division going away some things went very bad that have nothing to do with what we add over the next month. I view our moves in the context of how they could potentially affect a playoff series. And obviously a pitcher getting how at the right moment could impact the playoffs, but so can a hitter. I just know that in a condensed playoff series, adding an ace has a huge impact. On the reports saying the Marlins are more inclined to sell Realmuto...I don't put all that much stock in the media, most reports are based on what that reporter "thinks" should happen. I mean if we are going by reports then Realmuto would have been moved long ago. With the Marlins payroll where it is, it sure seems to me that the Marlins will move Realmuto if they get the type of prospects they truly want, but they aren't motivated to move him just to move him for whatever they can get. Hey look, I hope i'm wrong. I hope Bukauskas and a bag of mid range ready to help now guys will get Realmuto here. I just think if that was possible he would have already been moved, either here, or elsewhere. I have a hard time thinking that this has gone on over a year and no one has offered that type of package for a guy as good as Realmuto
Based on Luhnow’s stance on Tucker, if you believe that it would take Tucker to get Kluber or Realmuto, I think your getting your hopes up. 90% chance Tucker is here to stay. Also, id agree with your pitching argument for the playoffs if we didn’t already have 2 aces. In a 7 game series, Kluber would only be needed to start one time. That’s not a make it or break or player. And as far as a game 7 goes, you throw the entire kitchen sink at them.
If I were more worried about our division, or regular season standing, I would be more inclined to agree on Realmuto value to our current club. But honestly if we don't win our division going away some things went very bad that have nothing to do with what we add over the next month. I view our moves in the context of how they could potentially affect a playoff series. And obviously a pitcher getting how at the right moment could impact the playoffs, but so can a hitter. I just know that in a condensed playoff series, adding an ace has a huge impact. On the reports saying the Marlins are more inclined to sell Realmuto...I don't put all that much stock in the media, most reports are based on what that reporter "thinks" should happen. I mean if we are going by reports then Realmuto would have been moved long ago. With the Marlins payroll where it is, it sure seems to me that the Marlins will move Realmuto if they get the type of prospects they truly want, but they aren't motivated to move him just to move him for whatever they can get. Hey look, I hope i'm wrong. I hope Bukauskas and a bag of mid range ready to help now guys will get Realmuto here. I just think if that was possible he would have already been moved, either here, or elsewhere. I have a hard time thinking that this has gone on over a year and no one has offered that type of package for a guy as good as Realmuto
Never said my hopes were up, if you asked me what I really think is going to happen, i'd tell you more than likely we use McHugh, James/Valdez/Perez, and either sign a low end starter or a bullpen arm and move Peacock to the rotation also. So don't worry about me getting my hopes up lol, I don't think it's happening I'll agree to disagree on Kluber in a 7 game series also. Even if you went with Verlander on 3 days rest Game 1 Verlander Game 2 Cole Game 3 Kluber Game 4 Verlander on 3 days rest Game 5 Cole on 3 days rest Game 6 Kluber on 3 days rest Game 7 Verlander again on 3 days and as you say, anything and everything at that point So even using only 3 starters and going all of them on short rest, you get 2 games out of him. I'd rather a Kluber level guy pitch two games there as opposed to a lesser pitcher. Just my opinion, again I don't think it's happening, I just don't think any other position is worth giving up top prospects for. I wouldn't include Whitley in any deal for a veteran player, I wouldn't include Tucker in a deal for Realmuto, but i'd certainly include him in a deal for a Kluber level pitcher You think we can get Realmuto without giving up a top prospect, I don't I hope you are right
Marlins are highly motivated to move him. The goal is to win the World Series. Marlins aren't doing it in the next two years. Trading Realmuto would help them towards the goal. The holdup has been Marlins haven't been getting offers that they like and the offers keep getting smaller every half season they don't deal him.
Game 1 Verlander Game 2 Cole Game 3 McHugh Game 4 X-Factor Game 5 Verlander Game 6 Cole Game 7 Whatever it takes to get it done--all in game Pitching Verlander and Cole on 3 day's rest would be high unorthodox and bad decision-making.
I’m not sure about that. I think (by luck) that the Marlins benefitted from not trading Realmuto last offseason or at the deadline. He put up a monster season. So I don’t think the offers have shrunk. I think the offers have gone up, just not as much as the Marlins asking price. Unless they are complete idiots, Miami WILL trade Realmuto in the next 7 months. It remains to be seen if they will benefit from holding out into January and beyond. Grandal signing will take one buyer out of the mix, but other than that the market for Realmuto probably won’t change much until August.
