[Long-winded Rant] South Africa: An Omen For America?

Anyone see Laura Southern's documentary Farmlands? On the ground footage from the farms where the farm murders are taking place.

EDIT; also this happened apparently. Totally not racist:

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...in-over-andile-mngxitamas-kill-whites-speech/

 

You should give your property to the nearest victim of your ancestors' crimes. As their descendant, you are now liable for what they did. The government won't be compensating you. You can also hand over your land to the nearest tribe, if you do possess any.

 

Which South African leader did I make excuses for? All I've been talking about is the land reform.

 

This seems like the basis for your position. You're terrified of black people coming to take your stuff.

Step back for a second. We are talking about South Africa here, not Houston. Since none of my ancestors have ever lived anywhere remotely near Southern Africa, I have no skin in this at all.

The black people aren't all conspiring to come and get you. And we aren't in court. Admitting the facts doesn't make you libel for compensatory damages because you are the same skin color as the white South Africans.

This isn't "us against them". Its "them against them", unless you have some stake here we don't know about.

 

But the whole Zimbabwe narrative relies upon a prediction that it must be exactly like Zimbabwe. I don't think it will be.

Ramaphosa is not Mugabe, he knows there is a lot at stake here.

Well, there is an argument that those farms aren't worth the price that farmers are asking for them either. No one ever agrees on prices, the seller tries to get as much as they can and the buyer tries to get it as cheap.

It's not that simple.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/95925/fact-check-the-truth-about-land-reform-in-south-africa

That's a very good article about the situation too and it also mentions what I've said about Zimbabwe.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_South_Africa
"In August 2018, the South African government began the process of taking two white-owned farmlands by filing papers seeking to acquire the farms via eminent domain for one-tenth of their estimated value, (which in one case is based on possible value when the farm is developed into an eco-estate)."

Maybe not get your information from people who try to sink refugee ships to keep the Muslims out of Europe and Jewish Conspiracy Theorists?

 

You avoid the center of my point. Why not give them money? Why steal it? Also a tenth of the estimated value is criminal. You are joking right? You probably should read more sources yourself, other than wikipedia and taking things off topic. You just proved my point about how weak your position is.

 

Farm Murders is propaganda.

The person you've quoted is a political outcast in the country and for good reason.

 

What is this? Hashtag not all, I'm sure.

 

You: Why can't SA use eminent domain
Me: Shows that they do
You: THIS IS ALL OFF TOPIC!

Ok.

 

Laura Southern is Canadian. She isn't out casted by South Africa for that reason.

Disliked yes. She is a threat for trying to show what the ruling class is up to.

You are really deaf to reality. Eminent domain is not paying the tenth of the estimated value, genius. That is highway robbery. Learn what eminent domain is first, before you try to act like an expert.

 

I'm talking about Andile. He's not representative even of the EFF...the party he was kicked out of.

As for Southern, she is a threat for promoting white nationalism, along with her pal Stefan Molyneux who she toured with, who also thinks that maybe whites should just be separated from blacks because of...well, what else...IQ

Southern is just smart enough to not openly say it, but when everyone she associates is a white nationalist, safe to assume that of her too.

Birds of a feather and all.

I'm tuned in to reality. Eminent Domain has no price to its definition.

Looks like you need to learn what it is before you try to act like an expert. Hopefully, you're not getting your definitions from Lauren Southern too.

 

Eminent domain requires just compensation, which is usually agreed on as the tax assessed value of the property, as the government has already claimed this is the value, genius. I didn't need to look it up in Wikipedia because I learned about this issue years ago outside of a little disagreement on Clutchfans.

Also, the South African government changed the law to get around paying just compensation specifically for this reason,

 

As a rule, no one that supports stripping land from racial minorities and awarding it to others on the basis of their skin color gets to accuse anyone of racism ever.

 

You should have looked it up, you should have also looked up JUST COMPENSATION as well.

 

I don't need to. I just explained it. The government can't argue that just compensation is less than the tax assessed value. It already assigned the value, and to go lower isn't going to fly in a fair court against even halfway decent lawyers. A good lawyer could also argue for fair market value, which is more than the tax value in many cases and also throw in other issues to argue for a higher price. But hey, I don't need to look it up or explain it. You do. Why don't you go do a basic search and read about it. I bet you already are, desperately digging to prove me wrong. Keep at it.

Here is a beginners explanation for you. Granted it is U.S. law, and I know more about that.I am definitely going to look up South Africa's law later, but it won't do much good because I already read about how they specifically changed their law to get around this just compensation bit.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/j/just-compensation.asp

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Also, this is the real issue regarding the land theft. The South African government is changing the Constitution in South Africa to make stealing it easier. Article 25, yes I looked this part up specifically as to not make an error, called for 'just and equitable' compensation when taking land. If the land was stolen from people by white farmers, then the government could offer zero dollars and then prove in court that this was the case if challenged. I don't see why the government needs to change the law to get around this. Unless they can't prove this in some cases. Which would be shaky ground for taking land, now wouldn't it? I have been saying this whole time that this is an issue for the courts and can easily be dealt with by the original laws in place, so the recent changes to allow for zero compensation are a clear preemptive measure to stop any justified legal battles.

 

No, I really think you do need to look it up then you need to return and apply this knowledge to South Africa's land reform. Did you read the article I posted? About Farmers trying to hold the government ransom and get higher prices in return?

Umm, sure, because reading and researching about topics is certainly a bad thing that you should insult people over!

 

Nothing wrong with it. Just light-hearted mocking that goes with debate.

Also your article is ignoring facts and the law regarding just compensation. The government can also use this in court. That said, the government can buy it, but is unwilling. It was offering a tenth of the value. 1/10! I would hold out for more too.

"In August 2018, the South African government began the process of taking two white-owned farmlands by filing papers seeking to acquire the farms via eminent domain for one-tenth of their estimated value, (which in one case is based on possible value when the farm is developed into an eco-estate)."

 

Well, not sure with that article being false, the information quoted came from a pretty good source? Anyways...

I will say this thing is a lot more complicated than what a lot of people on that particular side is making it out to be.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22967906

I would seriously direct you to this article, it is several years old but even then remember that certain people have been screaming about White Genocide in SA...It's not just finding white people and kicking them off the land it's about making sure victims, who, since it wasn't long ago have been directly affected...get some kind of retribution for what apartheid did for their families. To just shrug and tell these people "Hey, sorry about that whole apartheid thing, we can't do anything for you now, you just have to deal with it." Is a pretty hard message to sell to people.