[Long-winded Rant] South Africa: An Omen For America?

The Zulus were there before any other man. All African tribes and empires did not war for land or resources. The end.

 

Yeah, the Nazi's rounding up Jewish people and putting them in camps was legal too, doesn't make it right.

Stop trying to excuse Apartheid because it was made legal, that's a pretty crappy argument.

 

I am talking about earlier times than that actually. I do not excuse any actions by apartheid actors. If they did something akin to Nazis, bring them before a court I am saying. My argument is that this will go beyond such clear cut cases (or clearest cut cases) to earlier land purchases and other issues. Courts are capable of handling this, but they don't want to do that. They changed the constitution just to get around having to buy the land. This is a financial and political issue, and the leaders of SA don't actually care about justice. They want land and resources to maintain and strengthen their power.

Funny enough, you mention the Nazis, who used deep resentment against the Jewish minority to confiscate private property. Good example. Wrong side. Or I should say, it applies to both sides in some situations. Which is again why courts should be used. Not some land grabbing crap.

 

Had to Google it, huh?

The Zulu were minor constituant members of the Mthethwa Empire so that was actually more like a change in management.

 

So the warning isn't really a warning about S. Africa for Americans. This is a warning about S. Africa being warned that they might be getting close to Zimbabwe to warn the United States.

Interesting.

 

Cohete threads in the D&D are like what threads in the Hangout. You can't help but click it and then realize yup...pretty much as expected.

 

Just like he subscribes to Forgotten Weapons since he's such a gun enthusiast and automatic weapon proponent?

I subscribe to Forgotten Weapons, and trust me, there is nothing on that channel that Maher would like at all. Subscribing isn't endorsement.

 

Yes, Maher tries to see what people with a different point of view are saying and the arguments used by the racists. Do you think anything you posted or commented here is any kind groundbreaking revelation or incriminating in any way?

If Maher used to black pigeon to try and make points about S. Africa in which he agreed with the racist points of view, that would be incriminating. That hasn't happened in this case.

 

Let me know when we get to the page where you actually understand it.

 

The current social conditions in South Africa are overwhelmingly the result of apartheid. Black leadership for several generations were killed or silenced. Blacks were put in positions where the exercised very little control over their own lives. When the ruling whites moved on from public pressure from the West, they created a vacuum that to this day isn’t close to being filled.

Illiterate, I’ll prepared and corrupt leaders rule South Africa to the detriment of all South Africans. In many places the culture has been destroyed. Crime is endemic and pseudo mobsters rule tribes and take advantage of their own people.

Most of the land being targeted has been owned for a lifetime or more. The people getting the land often do not know how to manage the land, develop it or how to run a farm/ranch. Transferring the land only increases poverty in South Africa.

The black majority did not create the problems in South Africa but they are not making the conditions any better and they will live with the consequences. The wealthy whites have been leaving for decades, and if they have to, they will go to NZ, AUS or CAN.

The whole situation is a huge cluster****. However as counter intuitive as it seems, taking the land from experienced farmers is a big mistake.

 

Agree with this.

South Africa is a fascinating (yet tragic) social experiment to study but it has little relation to the United States.

 

It's absolutely laugh out loud funny that we have people here trying to play this as if it's anything other than blatant racism while the South African politicians pushing this are saying things like "Your time is up, white people". Much like the alt right, the racists in South Africa behind the land stealing support an ethnostate and don't view those who have a different color of skin to be legitimate citizens. There is simply no defending this.....especially when we currently live in a country that was "stolen" from others. We certainly wouldn't support having our land stolen (either with or without compensation) due to some old claim on it.

 

But feelings!

 

Well, Zimbabwe is one way but it's not the only country that has passed land reform.

In fact, Land Reform has an extensive history for countries reforming itself.

I understand the similarities because of it being an African country and the racial dynamics present, but I don't think there have been any signs that this is going to be a particularly violent land reform.

The thing is, the tension there is palpable, I don't think letting the status quo continue will be better, I think it'll be worse and there are worse things to happen to a nation than poverty. Nations can get through that, bloody civil wars? Ehh, not so much. I think without the land reform the latter is more likely to happen. You already have politicians stoking fires.

The country has to deal with its racist past, just like America had to, and just hoping that things will get slowly better over time I don't think is going to work.

I think a lot of this story has been very sensationalized as well. Talks of the government going after white people, 'Genocide', you'd think there was a holocaust going on over there when Whites are still the dominant group in SA financially and aren't even the main victims of violence.

Yeah...

So, I guess if a politician says it, it then represents all the politicians in that country or area or party? I like this game, let's play!

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The level of backflipping to match the real world to your worldview is telling.

 

Just about as telling as you using Black Pigeon as a source I guess.