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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, May 17, 2017.

  1. ipaman

    ipaman Member

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    Almost every campaign gets busted for violations of all big and small types and almost nothing outside of a small fine happens. If that's all Mueller got than it's a bit of a letdown for sure but also reassuring that Russia isn't running the United States.
     
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    perhaps to discuss about a pardon,

    the one for the 72-yr old private citizen DJ Trump, within minutes of the new POTUS Pence taking office​
     
  3. No Worries

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    Campaign finance violations are not from Mueller. They are from the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York (aka SDNY).
     
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    LOL. A simple campaign violation. As opposed to the president of the united states directing someone to pay off two different woman to hide affairs he had with both women. And worse, directing someone to make an illegal campaign payment to two different women with the express reason that it them talking would adversely effect his chances to win the campaign.

    Oh wait, those are both serious felony offenses...
     
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  5. ipaman

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    Mueller isn't law enforcement at any level, he can't charge anybody with anything. Also, you're trying to suggest they are different and distinct? It's all the same.
     
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    LOL, so basically, both are opinion pieces as opposed to actual news reporting. The only difference between an op-ed and editorial is whose opinion is being presented. Heck, in the instance of an op-ed, the opinion being presented is often a subject matter expert. With in the case of the WSJ editorial board (not the NYT,), the opinion is is from someone that "answers directly" to the conservative publisher of the paper.

    Is this really the important distinction you were attempting to make?
     
  7. larsv8

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    Uh what.
     
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    What a let down. MSM and Democrats alike swear up and down about Russian Collusion for over 2 years now. What a great day to be an American.!!
     
  9. NewRoxFan

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    What? Are you serious?
     
  10. No Worries

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    Manafort might disagree, who was charged and prosecuted by the Special Prosecutor Mueller, right?

    What hair are you are splitting?
     
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    Has the final report been filed? We've seen evidence of collusion-a-plenty from the campaign. That isn't in question. The only question is about Donald Sr.'s personal involvement. That appears to be likely based on all the evidence that we've seen that points directly to that. But it is silly to make a final assessment until the actual report has been presented. So you can sit back and wait like everyone else.

    If you haven't been able to understand the implications of the evidence we are aware of right now, I'm not sure anything will make it any more clear. But you might as well just wait and see.
     
  12. ipaman

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    I don't think they are actually. Obama campaign had major violations, they paid a fine, didn't bother me. Kerry had something similar, nothing happened legally. I guess the difference is intent or lack thereof but I've been told that intent doesn't matter when it comes to other legal issues so I'm not so hung up on that.

    While I'm happy Russia isn't running the US I guess you're not? Weird slant but okay.
     
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    To that end, here is an indictment of Manafort (not sure if this is the latest and greatest): https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download. Scroll down to the last page, page 37. Who's name is that?
     
  14. ipaman

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    It's a special counsel is all I'm saying. Created for Russia interference and/or collusion on the election but it hasn't had any jurisdiction charges on that. I'm happy about that. I'm happy that our democracy (love it or hate) is secure.
     
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    So my question at this point will trump sr be charged and get no jail time.
     
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    Nope, wrong.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

    I will go ahead and link 600.4 for you.

     
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    ur intellectual dishonesty manifests itself.

    the Obama campaign's violation involved late reporting of each donation that exceeded $1,000.
    this is due to the campaign's sloppy accounting, there is no conscience of guilt

    Trump directed Cohen to make the payments to in order to cover up the stories of the two women who
    had sexual relations w Trump. there is conscious of guilt to cover up these two stories​

    dispense w the false equivalency !
     
  18. NewRoxFan

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    LOL, your weak effort at "whataboutism" only suggests you don't care what trump has done. In the case you cited about President Obama, campaign finance mistakes were uncovered, and the campaign paid the fines. In the case of trump, he directed someone to pay off two women he had affairs with to be quiet, with the express purpose to prevent knowledge of the affairs to effect the election. Those were felonies.

    Second, you continue to confuse the case about Russian influence on trump and the election with the felonies related to campaign financing. You must have missed this part of the story (see below). Of course, you can choose not to read, and pretend there is nothing to prove that russians had been working with trump and his campaign.

    https://www.rollcall.com/news/polit...eller-details-russias-political-synergy-offer
     
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  19. NewRoxFan

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    No, you were confusing Mueller's special counsel investigation with that of the New York State investigation. Both investigations, along with other state investigations, have uncovered numerous alleged crimes and violations, including involving russian engagement with trump, his campaign, and members of trump's administration.
     
  20. ipaman

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    You want me to care about one and not the other? Emphatic NO since you don't control my opinion or feelings and I don't care about either.
     

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