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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. MiddleMan

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    Remember impeachment process started November 8, 2016. I wonder how they will spin Trumps re-election in 2020. It’s hilarious.
     
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    I don’t get how people are spinning Friday’s filings as wins for Trump.

    Here’s the thing though, even if you think Trump is innocent, shouldn’t we judge him for surrounding himself with these folks? If a CEO had a c-suite with this much criminal activity and turnover, the board would remove that person for incompetence. I haven’t heard folks discussing this angle; Trump should be held accountable for poor judgement of people.
     
  3. Hakeemtheking

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    Trump is rich but he is trash. NFL owners have known this about him decades ago, and likely the main reason he was never able to get a NFL franchise.
     
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    Nearly everyone in New York knew this years ago as well as anyone who ever paid attention to him. The mental gymnastics one must go through to see him as worthy of the office or use the old bad man doing great things BS are astounding.
     
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    These filings did not have anything noteworthy to do with Trump one way or another. This was not a win for Trump, but it was another loss for the Democrats and their supporters who have been actively trying to come up with a way to remove or force out of office the duly elected President of the United States, apparently by any means necessary.

    And these people think that Donald Trump is an a-hole.
     
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    You are an idiot.

    There simply is no other way to put it.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Well I wouldn't go that far, there's something very noteworthy, but it's not something that could even potentially take Trump down so in that way it was a win for him. Now if something came out that was evidence of collusion with Russia or there was some kind of evidence that came out of a crime that could actually stick then that would be different.

    I'd suggest that there's enough there to make Democrat partisans (especially the Trump Derangement Syndrome types) rub one out thinking that it's a win for them, and the fact that it's not something that matters is enough to make Trump supporters give a sigh of relief but not a real win.
     
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  8. Amiga

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    the strategy sounds about right:

    The White House is adopting what one official termed a “shrugged shoulders” strategy for the Mueller findings, calculating that most GOP base voters will believe whatever the president tells them to believe.
     
  9. MojoMan

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    Well, if the knowledge that the TDS afflicted left are all joining together to rub one out together over this is noteworthy to you, I guess I will just agree to take your word for that.

    Personally, I think a facepalm response is what is in order here, but different strokes for different folks.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    I think it's noteworthy that Trump is likely guilty of a campaign finance violation and the incident certainly points towards him being of very poor character. The reason why it won't matter is because it's a really weak case against him and we've already set a precedent that it's acceptable for a president to go so far as to commit obstruction of justice and perjury to hide an extramarital affair....so paying off a de-facto prostitute to remain quiet is certainly less serious than that. On top of that, everyone knows Trump is a scumbag. They've known that for decades. People didn't vote for him because they thought he had good moral character, they voted for him because they disliked Hillary Clinton more.
     
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  11. Harrisment

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    The great thing is that @MiddleMan and @MojoMan liked your post and have no idea you were actually making fun of them。
     
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    And how about the second part of my post?
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    Someone can sarcastically say that 1 + 1 equals 2 and people can agree with that not realizing that the first person didn't really believe it.
     
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    It’s also weird for Trump supporters to find these filings exculpatory when there are significant portions that are redacted.
     
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    The campaign finance violation stuff is B.S., not that it would be that big of a deal even if it were a solid charge. But it isn't.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    That's not really true, it's potentially a decently serious crime, but that's just not something that could bring down a president since the precedent that things like obstruction of justice and perjury are acceptable when presidents are trying to cover up extramarital affairs. If Trump weren't president, he'd have to beat a case, but he'd have a pretty good chance of beating it since it's such a weak one.
     
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    The FEC is responsible for determining if expenses are campaign related or not. Typically they are trying to make sure that personal expenses are not being improperly paid out of the accounts of the campaign. It is not a problem for expenses to be paid outside of the campaign. Also, for payments related to NDA's (non-disclosure agreements) such as these, the justification is typically to protect the family, which means it is not a campaign expense.

    These sorts of NDA payments are perfectly legal and they are not campaign expenses. Just because a prosecutor states that they are does not make it so. If the same prosecutor tomorrow morning were to file charges against you for killing Kheshogi, that would just be a charge and it would not be a validation of any facts.

    No facts have been validated in this matter with the campaign contribution charge. The first fact that the prosecutor would need to establish is that these payments were campaign expenses. That is not a matter that is up to Mr. Cohen to establish, or the prosecutor, but rather the FEC.

    Since there is a reasonable alternative explanation, and the FEC is mainly concerned with excluding expenses from being classified as campaign expenses that should not be, this whole matter is a dead duck just waiting to be stuffed and mounted by Trump's attorneys. That is if the FEC does not do it first. That is if the duck ever even comes into gunshot range for Trump's team or the FEC, which it very likely will not.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    I understand this, but what I'm saying is that it is a potentially prosecutable offense, or rather it would be if he weren't president. I said it was a weak case and he'd probably beat it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It's the first potentially real thing they've fond on Trump and that's why they are so happy about it...also it's an example of Trump's poor moral character.

    Now I know none of that is a shocker to anyone and that's part of the reason why it doesn't have any legs, but you can't ignore the fact that it's a thing.
     
  19. MojoMan

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    It is "a thing" that Cohen pleaded guilty to at the request of the SD:NY and with the agreement of his lawyer, former special advisor to Bill Clinton, Lanny Davis. This was included in the plea deal memo submitted to the judge. It was not commented on or validated by the judge. So this allegation is thoroughly unvetted and unsubstantiated, except for the testimony of a confessed perjurer (Michael Cohen), as advised by the former special counsel to Bill Clinton.

    Donald Trump was not actually named by the SD:NY. If Mueller is going to try to do something with this, he is going to have to be able to back it up way better than this.

    The prosecutor has no power to authoritatively proclaim that anyone has actually committed a crime or engaged in any improper activity. They just do not have the authority to do that. But the usual suspects apparently believe otherwise. They are wrong.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Jail to the chief.

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