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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, May 17, 2017.

  1. MojoMan

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    I am still not a Trump guy, but he is doing a lot of things that need to be done, and I do not see another person in our country who could get elected president who would actually be bold enough and strong enough to follow through and do many of the things he is doing. Certainly the Jeb Bush Republican establishment types are not going to do it.

    In any case, Trump is our president. Despite his bad manners, his tendency to play fast and loose with the truth and his being a diagnosable narcissist (the last two traits which Barack Obama also distinguished himself by), it appears that Trump is what our country needs right now. While that saddens me, after eight years of Obama, drastic measures are now required.

    Obama was cancer to this country. Trump is the chemotherapy. Nobody WANTS to have chemotherapy, but there come a point where it is that or true disaster. We are at that point. Trump is a seriously flawed individual, that is for sure. But Trump is sacrificing himself to do a lot of what needs to be done. For that he deserves huge credit - from everyone who still cares about this country.
     
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    They are into their media-enabled social lynch mob feeding frenzy state right now, so appeals to reason and responsibility are likely to be a waste of time with them for the foreseeable future.
     
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    These platitude analogies are fun. So easy to construct with zero nuance.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    That might be true, but I'm not so down on our friends on the left, I think a good number of them can still see reason even when it comes to Trump. The thing that is going to bite them in the ass when it comes to this current attack on the president is that they already set a precedent that it is acceptable for the president to commit obstruction of justice and perjury when it comes to attempting to cover up an affair, thus there's no way they are going to get anywhere trying to attack a different president for paying off mistresses to remain silent. I'm sure if our friends on the left thought about it for a while, they'd understand that.

    Now sure that would mean "back to the drawing board" when it comes to finding something that could lead to impeachment, but they'll just have to accept that or they'll end up doing more harm to themselves than the president if they attempt to overplay their hand.
     
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    ...he's devoutly Christian and very careful around women who aren't his wife, so it's cool.
     
  6. Amiga

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    Too much credit
     
  7. KingCheetah

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    Well said.
     
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  8. fchowd0311

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    I honestly don't feel the motivation to go into great detail anymore when rebutting shitty platitudes from posters like @MojoMan. I see no point in the endeavor.

    If he genuinely believes that Trump is the chemotherapy to Obama, he's off his rocker or trolling.

    No amount of multiparagraph 1000 word essays on here is going to change anything. Again, due to Poe's law, I have no clue if I or other posters here are engaging a poster like MojoMan from a sincere point of view.
     
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    there is a cancer (conspiracy, obstruction of justice) to the Trump presidency, the Mueller Investigation is the chemotherapy
     
  11. dobro1229

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    Nothing could be further from the truth as it comes to the modern GOP Trumplican. The Republican Party has morphed to a fundamental methodology of governing and polical strategy that largely represents the Russian federation.

    Your vote of confidence to poltical governing policies that have morphed into what now is the GOP shows you absolutely 100% have been influenced by Russian influence.

    -Positions on NATO
    -white nationalist alliances and support for white nationalist candidates in Europe (ala La Pen)
    -energy policy
    -state media embrace
    -embrace of Russian playbook reg propaganda tactics
    -position on Syria
    -position on Iran
    -position on Crimea and Ukraine (maybe they would rather be part of Russia?)
    -embrace of oligarchy structure of political power
    -and overall approval of having a leader who is above rule of law
    - etc etc etc


    Yes... I’d take a wild guess and state that it’s highly likely you have been steadily influenced over the past 3 years.
     
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  12. MojoMan

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    The Mueller probe appears to be more of a political colonoscopy, which is diagnostic in nature and not curative or related to any actual specific ailment, other than the butthurt that the Democrat left is still experiencing from Hillary Clinton's loss to Trump in 2016. If anything come out of this the contradicts that, please do let us know.
     
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    When it's all said and done, Trump(s) will see the inside of a cell. Sr. is in purgatory while in office, but Don Jr. better start buying some good lube.
     
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You think he is done and this is all?

    EDIT

    Also, Manafort has surrendered $40 million plus, so the investigation could turn a profit.
     
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  15. dobro1229

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    Nothing is more important than understanding and being able to prevent hostile foreign governments from wanting to knock the United States out of the position of power we have.

    This “diagnostic” if you want to call it that is creating the framework moving forward for protecting against future political and financial influence.

    Only the most loyal Trumper can view this prosecutorial process in the way you clearly do. Newsflash - the GOP was just found to have been hacked by a foreign entity just this last month in the midterms. Future Democrats also could be targets for financial influence to wittingly or unwittingly shift US foreign policy positions that benefit adversaries such as Iran, China, etc.

    If you view this process the way you describe you are short sited, and soley care about the legal risks for Donald J Trump above your own long term interests in protecting against influence from countries you vehemently disapprove of im sure.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    Well I would hope that this isn't it, that was sort of the point of what I was saying. This is pretty close to nothing in that a weak campaign finance case has no chance of going anywhere.

    As to the investigation turning a profit, I'm all for that if that ends up being the case, but we have no idea how much longer it might last. If Trump wins re-election, the investigation could last 5+ more years.
     
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  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Do you disagree that NATO countries should meet their financial commitments? That criticism was 100% valid and was better than the Obama era policy of kissing their asses and ignoring that they weren't pulling their own weight.

    This is left wing propaganda, not reality.

    Those policies have led to less foreign dependence and cheaper prices....and at the same time leading the world in decreasing greenhouse gas emissions. What is there to criticize here?

    I guess I missed the memo, I don't even know what this is referring to.

    Same story, I must have missed this DNC propaganda memo, don't know what you are even referring to.

    So you are against Trump enforcing the "red line" that Obama set and was too cowardly to enforce? Again, what's to criticize here?

    Tearing up a deal that enriched Iran while allowing them to continue progress towards having nuclear weapons was the right thing, even if it went against something God King Barry did.

    God King Barry allowed Russia to conquer Crimea, so it was really too late to do anything about it by the time Trump took office. Also, it's partially Ukraine's fault for not joining NATO when they had the chance.

    This might be more from that propaganda memo that I didn't get a copy of

    It's funny how people pretend to have a problem with this when the leader is from a different tribe, but when they are from their tribe they fully support them being above the law. Anyone who voted for either of the Clintons has no business making this statement for any reason besides comedy.
     
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  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Go Mueller go - #jailtothechief

    DD
     
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    Too subtle.
     
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