[Long-winded Rant] South Africa: An Omen For America?

Is it abnormal that after denying the majority race of the nation land ownership because of their race that once they come to power, they would take some of the lands to which they had been denied access?

I'm not even saying that it is the right decision, but it is it really abnormal?

Nothing excuses violence against anyone. But to act like there is some kind of white genocide is laughable or cryable because of the ignorance that is being displayed.

 

Well, for it to stop it at first has to start, lol.

 

#SoCohete




Let's take the misleading part first.

Farms across the country have indeed seen a significant number of killings recently — but according to one of South Africa's largest farmers' organizations, Agri SA, the number of killings per year has declined to less than a third the number recorded two decades ago. And after diving into decades of data, the BBC concluded its extensive fact check last year by warning against drawing conclusions at all.

"In short — we have no clear idea about the murder rate on South African farms," the broadcaster summed up. "And because of that, the claim being made by protesters about farmers being more likely to be murdered is not supported by reliable data."

Nevertheless, Anton Harber, who teaches journalism in Johannesburg, tells NPR's Michele Kelemen that a group named AfriForum has strongly promoted the claim that white farmers are particularly threatened by this violence. They've gained supporters among politicians in places as far-flung as Australia, they've "sent a delegation" to speak with Tucker Carlson, and on Thursday, they "welcomed" Trump's tweet.

"They are quite vocal, and they present themselves as a group that protects minority rights," Harber said, "but they are largely seen as a group that protects white Afrikaans' rights."

The notion of widespread violence against whites in South Africa has gained particular currency among white supremacists around the world, according to the Anti-Defamation League.



"It is extremely disturbing that the President of the United States echoed a longstanding and false white supremacist claim that South Africa's white farmers are targets of large-scale, racially motivated killings by South Africa's black majority," the anti-hate advocacy organization said, noting that prominent white supremacists such as Richard Spencer have espoused the claim.

"We would hope that the President would try to understand the facts and realities of the situation in South Africa, rather than repeat disturbing, racially divisive talking points used most frequently by white supremacists."

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that tracks hate crimes, also identified the claim as "a lodestar for white supremacist groups at home and abroad." And the organization named another notable figure to cite the concept of "white genocide": Dylann Roof, the self-avowed white supremacist who murdered nine people in a historically black church in 2015.

"Trump's tweet last night about South African farmers — a complicated situation that racist propagandists reduce to a 'canary in the coal mine' scenario for white people — is one of the most startling examples of this president indulging in racist thinking."

"Minister Sisulu said South Africa has good political, economic and trade relations with the United States of America and that diplomatic channels remain open to provide clarity on issues of mutual interest."

Despite the quick response, the tweet has already made an impact within South Africa's borders. The country's currency, the rand, opened the day with a sputter after Trump's remark, which apparently spooked several investors already wary about land reform.

The tweet "puts a spanner in the works of the concerted effort that President Ramaphosa has been making to clarify the land reform issue to the international community and investors," Ruth Hall, professor at the University of the Western Cape, told CNN. "The government has clearly stated that there will be no land grabs."

 

I'm embarrassed to say I truly had never even heard about it until your post, and I googled it. It underscores once again the sad reality that while we may believe we have advanced as humans, there is not a lot of distance between civilization and our collective capacity to commit atrocities.

 

Thanks for the warning. I feel so much safer now.

 

I had to triple check the paperwork down at the Courthouse, but I am now certain that my land is not in fact in South Africa.

But I feel bad for anyone anywhere who gets their land confiscated by the government, especially without proper compensation: like the people on the border who got eminent-domained and fenced off of their property to build Trump's ego wall.

 

Land is land.. @updawg

 

Not quite the same. These Afrikaaners largely stole their land from the rightful owners.

 

How long ago? Because I'm not really sure we want to get into that wrt the USofA. Especially South Texas.

 

Is there a statute of limitations?

and South Texas is not at all the same as South Africa.

 

Rojo is showing his racist fears. That is why immigration of brown people into America must stop - because whites here like rojo fear that if the brown's had power they would subjugate the whites in some way.

They see race as a threat to their way of life. Look at all the dog whistles the right like Rojo uses to scare themselves into xenophobia

South African farmers
MS-13
Muslim Terrorists
Affirmative action
Migrant caravans
Immigrant rapist / murderer
Sanctuary cities
Anchor babies
Immigrants don't pay taxes and drain the system
"Open" Borders
Brexit
Jobs
Drug trade
Blacks are more violent than whites
the idea that blacks benefit more from social programs
Blacks are lazy
Attacking H1 Visas programs

 

Is it now?

After Texas Independence - starting after the Mexican-American War and reached its height during the Pancho Villa revolutionary years (the latter also ~coincided with the heyday of the KKK in the early 20th century) - white Texas landowners and settlers had pretty much carte blanche to seize land from the Tejano/Texian owners who in many/most cases had deeds going back to the Spanish Land Grants and fought for independence from Mexico in our Revolution. If they couldn't defraud them out of it by denying their legal ownership, then those families (again, who had been here for a couple of hundred years before the gringos) were just straight up burned out and/or murdered, or threatened to be murdered unless they went south of the river.

It is the most, to me, despicable period in Texas history, as opposed to the Comanche Wars where it was a clash of 2 civilizations - both doing horrible things to the other.

 

You are fooling yourselves if you see this as justified.

 

very sad

 

You do do know that all land is stolen from someone? If the land was stolen then it was stolen from some other group. Get over it.

Also a lot of that land was empty.

 

Do you think Native Americans would be living on tiny little reservations if there were 10x as many of them voting as there are white people? If Native Americans were able to take the country back would you really say that it was unfair? I wouldn't like it but as the saying goes, "turnabout is fair play".

This South African land was all stolen in in the 1950's, btw. There are people alive who remember it. The ANC could have just taken it all back in the 1990s, but tried to show restraint with buybacks, which haven't gone anywhere.

Whites are 9% of the population and own 75% of the land and 90% of the wealth. They didn't get all that by paying for it.

 

Well, now they are stealing the land back. Get over it.

 

Red Rocket you will feel good about all of the work the whites are doing over here in East Austin. I’m sitting in a coffee shop currently and I felt it necessary to convey the good news. We are gentrifying the colored lands quickly and we will have complete control over the formerly dark territories. One day soon our white personages (hipsters included) will be able to control all of the valuable estates here and the only coloreds we will have to endure will be those relegated to cleaning our houses and maintaining our properties.

Thank you for your concern about this grave threat and let it be known that we will not let them control our white existence here in Austin.