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[Rubbish] UN Migration Pact

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Dec 7, 2018.

  1. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Member

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    What a terrible international agreement. God bless Donald Trump for refusing to sign this rubbish.

    This pact attempts to legalize mass migration -- regardless of legality for the receiving nation. It also attempts to criminalize "migration speech".

    This pact will be an absolute mess for the EU, which is already seeking to enact Article 7 on member states (Poland and Hungary) which have rejected Germany's attempts to dump its unwanted migrants into their respective nations.



    EU nations increasingly divided over UN migration pact

    BRUSSELS — Just days before scores of countries sign up to a landmark U.N. migration pact, a number of European Union nations have begun joining the list of those not willing to endorse the agreement.

    The 34-page U.N. Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration is to be formally approved in Marrakech, Morocco, on Dec. 10-11.

    The drafting process was launched after all 193 U.N. member states, including the United States under President Barack Obama, adopted in 2016 a declaration saying no country can manage international migration on its own and agreed to work on a global compact.

    But the United States, under President Donald Trump, pulled out a year ago, claiming that numerous provisions in the pact were “inconsistent with U.S. immigration and refugee policies.”

    Despite its non-binding nature, Bulgaria signaled this week that it will not sign the pact, as did Slovakia, whose foreign minister resigned in protest at his government’s stance. Meanwhile, Belgium’s government was teetering on the brink of collapse, riven by coalition differences over the pact.

    “It’s way too pro-migration. It doesn’t have the nuance that it needs to have to also comfort European citizens,” Belgium’s migration minister, Theo Francken, said Thursday.

    “It’s not legally binding, but it’s not without legal risks,” he said, adding that rights laws are being interpreted widely in EU courts and those rulings are tying the hands of migration policy-makers.

    Francken said his right-wing N-VA party wants “nothing to do with it.”

    But Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel took the migration agreement to parliament Thursday, where it was approved against the wishes of the N-VA, the biggest party in his governing coalition.

    The arrival in Europe in 2015 of well over 1 million migrants — most fleeing conflict in Syria or Iraq — plunged the EU into a deep political crisis over migration, as countries bickered over how to manage the challenge and how much help to provide those countries hardest hit by the influx. Their inability to agree helped fuel support for anti-migrant parties across Europe.

    Experts say the pact is an easy target. Leaving it can play well with anti-migrant domestic audiences and pulling out has no obvious negative impacts on governments.

    “The ones who opposed the global compact, have they read it? It is only a framework of cooperation with all countries,” EU Migration Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said Thursday. “It is not binding. It doesn’t put in question national sovereignty.”

    Other EU countries to turn their back on the document are Hungary and Poland, which have opposed refugee quotas aimed at sharing the burden of Mediterranean countries like Italy, Greece and more recently Spain, where most migrants are arriving.

    But the withdrawal of Austria — holder of the EU’s presidency until the end of the year — has been of high symbolic importance.

    Conservative Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, in a coalition with the nationalist, anti-migration Freedom Party, announced Austria’s departure from the pact in October, highlighting “some points that we view critically and where we fear a danger to our national sovereignty.”

    Francken said that never before had the head negotiator for the European states, Austria, “pulled out the plug. That gave a lot of political shock effect in all countries.”

    It remains to be seen whether North African countries — and others like Turkey, which the EU has outsourced its migrant challenge to — see this as a new sign that migration management can only be done on Europe’s terms.
     
  2. durvasa

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    Sounds terrible.
     
  3. Cohete Rojo

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    Terrible indeed:

     
  4. Nook

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    How would you feel........ if say a lot of folks from Ireland wanted to come to the USA?

    How about a lot of Poles wanting to come over?

    Does the "culture" matter to you?

    I can tell you that there are a lot of folks in the UK that wouldn't mind some of the Eastern Europeans going back to their prior homes far away.

    At this point, would you want to deport every Mexican that is not a US citizen in the USA? What about "anchor babies" in the US, should they go back?
     
  5. durvasa

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    I don’t understand that, and it doesn’t provide enough information for me to make sense out of it. If it’s not legally binding, how does it create “legal risks”?
     
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  6. Cohete Rojo

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    Will the EU respect national sovereignty or will it throw a hissy fit when nations honor their respective laws above the EU?
     
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    What does “throw a hissy fit” mean?

    You think a country should be immune from criticism over its immigration policy?
     
  8. Cohete Rojo

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    Trying to take away Poland and Hungary’s EU vote is exactly what I would call a “hissy fit”, or more appropriately I’d call it the “Brezhnev doctrine”.

    So much for sovereignty.

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  9. Cohete Rojo

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    I have spoken about my belief in an equal opportunity immigration system ad nauseum on CF.

    It’s laughable that anyone would think people in the UK have the same kinds of opportunity available for them in Romania as Romanians have in the UK.
     
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    Who in the UK wants to move to Romania?

    What does Romania have to do with anything.

    I asked you if you would have an issue with Western Europeans trying to immigrate to the USA in large numbers.
     
  11. Cohete Rojo

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    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    Article doesn't real explain what's in the proposed pact, so I have no opinion.
     
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    Shocking that a government of millionaire Pinochet admirers and Nazi harborers would take that stance. Shocking.
     
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    The UN wants to weaken nation states and their will so they will accept more gobal governance. Thus, giving the UN more power. Very obvious. They don't care about anyone but themselves.
     
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    Yes, everyone acting in their own interest is a nazi. Clearly a fair point.:rolleyes:
     
  18. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    One of the most perplexing things on this forum in years is Cohete's change from a frequently obtuse poster to a straight on white nationalist poster. It is truly bizarre. It's like Trump brought out his inner Cohete.
     

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