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HuaWei, Putin and MBS

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. adoo

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    Huawei is a Chinese telecommunication equipment giant that sells its products globally. its CFO, Cathy Meng,
    daughter of the Company founder, was detained by Canadian authorities on behalf of the United States
    when she was transferring flights in Canada. Huawei said she faces unspecified charges in the Eastern District
    of New York. The Wall Street Journal reported in April that the US Justice Department was investigating
    whether Huawei violated US sanctions on Iran. She faces extradition to the United States.


    Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican from Nebraska, said Americans are "grateful" to Canadian authorities for arresting Meng.
    "Sometimes Chinese aggression is explicitly state-sponsored and sometimes it's laundered through many of Beijing's
    so-called 'private' sector entities that are in bed with Xi's communist party," he said.
    Senator Chris Van Hollen — a Democrat from Maryland — said Chinese telecommunications companies
    "represent a fundamental risk to American national security."
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/tech/huawei-cfo-arrested-canada/index.html




    on the other end of the spectrum,

    these two bad hombres have been killing journalists, meddling in the Middle East and committing other despicable acts around the world

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    Trump’s own intelligence heads agreed that Putin ordered the meddling of US election

    Trump’s CIA provided evidence to Congress that MBS had ordered the murder of a WaPo journalist, a US resident


    Nothing has been done to bring these two scumbags to justice;
    Trump has been conducting himself as a public relation person for them​
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    I came here expecting to see a high-five threesome
     
  3. mdrowe00

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    I'm going to assume that there's a point here...?
     
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  4. WNBA

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    Expect there is retaliation from China on this hostage situation.
     
  5. krnxsnoopy

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    Trump is a cuck. Everyone expected retaliation from China for the trade tariffs. But Trump didn't care because it benefited his propaganda narrative.

    Trump will probably care about this retaliation because it'll affect his pocket (Shady Saudi and Russian money). Sad!
     
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    This is part of the reason why Americans have a bad reputation around the world for being incredibly arrogant, the belief that foreign leaders are subject to American jurisdiction when it comes to a decision to kill one of their own citizens they deem an enemy of the state as a result of them plotting to overthrow the monarchy, or when they otherwise break US law. Some really think that the US should be allowed to "bring to justice" foreign leaders when we disagree with their actions.

    Hate to break it to you, but foreign leaders can't be held accountable for breaking American laws even when they are in America let alone when they do so in their own countries. The only way for that to change is for the US to conquer their countries. I mean at least in the Russia situation, that can be viewed as an attempted attack on the US....even though they've been doing similar things for decades, as has the US. I'm still not sure it's worth war with Russia to "bring Putin to justice" just to make some Democrats feel better about losing an election.
     
  7. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    I think it's a very very fine line. To go to war with Russia because we want to bring Putin to justice is lunacy for sure. The same could be said of how we viewed Sadam and co. Hell, it was that murkiness that lead us to take an attack like the one we faced on 9/11 and turn it into an invasion into a country that had nothing to do with said attack. The idea that we can force our views of democracy and such on other countries is comical and sad.

    Then again, sitting back and just watching human rights violations by a government and doing nothing to help a resistance force against it is also hard. So we pick our battles, but our picks are far from 100%.
     
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  8. Bobbythegreat

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    I agree with what you said, the only thing I'd add is that when it comes to the Saudi killing of one of their own citizens, some would call that a human rights violation but at the same time, the US would do almost exactly the same thing in that situation. If there was an American citizen attempting to plot an overthrow of the government and was caught trying to help organize and fund such a thing, the US would absolutely have that person killed just as the Saudis did. It wouldn't matter what he did for a living.
     
  9. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Eh I don't necessarily agree on that one. Who knows, maybe the US planned some covert ops to kill Snowden that I don't know about, but last time I checked we didn't hacksaw him to pieces. To me, what Snowden did was about a million times worse than the Saudi journalist whose name I can't come close to spelling correctly.

    Also, for an administration that has a war on the media and has shown a general disdain for the concept of truth to power, allowing an ally to do this (or even enabling one as they do it) makes you look foolish. I get that Trump plays the game by his own rules, but as of late it just seems like he doesn't play the game at all. He just flips over the board and whines.
     
  10. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Of course, my argument is cherry picked. I admit that.
     
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    One of the most interesting questions is who pulled the trigger on arresting the Huawei CFO. The White House claims that Trump did not know about the planned arrest beforehand and I believe them given that Trump was meeting with Xi to hammer our a tariff agreement when it all when down.

    Was it 1.) Someone in his administration that went rogue and wants to escalate the trade war with China? or 2.) Someone who is anti-Trump and wants to prevent him from doing something good.
     
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    ...this would be my guess.

    ...how many people in that White House are really there for anything other than their own personal agenda? And it's not exactly like they're overly concerned with sharing information with one another.

    ...it's more a wonder that anyone thinks that Democrats are the Donald's biggest "enemies"...

    ...with friends (or a staff) like this, indeed...
     
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    I am glad that she is finally potentially going to be held responsible.

    Huawei knows exactly why she is being held. The US has warned them for years.
     
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    Also it is telling that Trump did not know about the arrest plans ahead of time but Trudeau did.
     
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    Trump has proven that he has difficulty keeping sensitive information to himself.
     
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    Dude why do you constantly make shot up, what proof do you have Koshoggi was trying to overthrow the government.

    that is shady even for you.
     
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    Be careful though. Other country can learn from this example and detain US citizens according to their domestic laws. This is absurd.
     
  19. mdrowe00

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    ...might be why, as the Head of State....

    ...it would PROBABLY have been a good idea for the Donald not to go out of his way to take a dump on his international counterparts.

    I WOULD say that it pays to know what you're doing in your job...

    ...but that's kind of the point here, too, right?

    Who the devil knows WHAT the Donald's doing...?

    ...he certainly doesn't...
     
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    This arrest is not about sanctions violations.
     

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