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This season is on Morey. How did we know these free agent signings sucked and he didn't?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bmd, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. riko

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    NOT re-signing black given our poor rebounding and the fact he was productive when he played last season was a mistake.Im sure for the minimum he would he stayed.

    Ennis tonight showed when he decides to be aggressive he can be ok. Probaly a very good backup wing at best
     
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  2. hakeemthagreat

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    We have no bench & you waived our best offensive bench player over a stupid grudge by the coach. What's the alternative? We have none. Morey needs to apologize to Melo & ask him to comeback
     
  3. Corpusfan

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    The point isn't that he's bad, because he isn't. It's that we thought he was signed as a backup, not a starter.
     
  4. Corpusfan

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    Where did you hear it was because of a grudge by the coach? Thought it was because they were playing much better when he wasn't on the floor.
     
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  5. ThunderStruck

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    Sometimes coaches can get overly confident in their ability to "coach up" players to be what they want them to be even though no one else has been able to get them to be as good as they want. This is why the coach/GM dual role is dangerous because the GM can be the one to check to coach and say "hey, this guy is just not that good".

    GM's can sometimes suffer from the same problem, and Morey suffered from that with the moves he made this off-season, trusting too much in the ability of the system to maximize some guys who were just not good fits or really the right players.

    Generally you're better off getting players who have already shown they can't do what you want, not guys who have actually shown that they can't do what you want, but you are looking to rehabilitate.
     
  6. hakeemthagreat

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    It's just my opinion. But you don't waive your best scorer coming off the bench
     
  7. snowconeman22

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    My point isn't that you were right or wrong . It's that nobody bats perfectly . I'm sure there were Morey pickups in the past that you doubted that worked out great ... and vice Versa.

    Ennis HAS very much worked out .

    **** , at the end of preseason 90% of clutchfans was sold on MCW .

    I think just because we don't fully know where Morey was coming from on his Melo and MCW gamble .... doesn't mean that there wasn't a rational reason . He has access to WAY more information that we do

    Morey is bold , but he's not THAT stubborn . Do you think if every single one of his scouts told him to pass on MCW that he would have signed him anyways ? Someone saw something in him or some data pointed out something about him that the FO thought could work .

    Now ... it hasn't worked out . There's no denying that . But Ennis has really turned things around . Clark has been a nice surprise (and it seems like we very much knew he was going to be good ) . Hartenstein has shown some stuff .

    These aren't the types of impact moves for veteran role players that fans want ... but at the end of the day with our budget it might have been the best we could do .

    I dunno what will happen going forward . I dunno what moves will be made AND I dunno how we will evaluate the players on the roster in another month or so .

    Having CP3 heathly would be a good start tho . And also it would be great if EG didn't look almost as bad as MCW
     
  8. DaneB

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    I’m up for getting Zion Williamson, aren’t you?
     
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  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    honestly just enjoy the team, it is a dumpster fire but what can we do
     
  10. roslolian

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    Again look at what Ariza and Luc are doing now.

    The problem isn't in losing Ariza and Luc its in not getting replacemebts for them. Ennis is really a solid bench piece we need a starter level player for the MLE.
     
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  11. Zergling

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    No one's talking about this if we just had all our stars healthy.

    We're 8-4 with the big three playing. If we played .666 ball all season, we'd be 0.5 a game out of first place right now in the West. Chill.
     
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  12. ThunderStruck

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    Eric Gordon is still on the team though, he's not really a starter. The injuries are obviously a big issue as they have messed up the Rockets rotations, but probably in the Melo situation, the problem was before he was even signed.

    If the Rockets didn't focus so much on him and didn't go after a guy like MCW which was odd based on the skills (or lack of) he had shown in the past. Ennis was a fine pickup, he showed he could do the things he was signed for in the past, which suggests that if you get him in the right role he should produce, that makes sense. His issue is just that he shouldn't be a starter, but he's done his role well and played Rockets style basketball, that's all you can expect.

    There were free agents like this available that could have been gotten instead of MCW and Carmelo (last seasons stats):
    Nerlens Noel (4 ppg, 6 rpg, 53% FG, causing trouble) - Minimum
    David Nwaba (8 ppg, 5 rpg, 1.5 apg, 48% FG, 35% 3PT) - Minimum
    Nik Stauskas (5 ppg, 2 rpg, 1.1 apg, 39% FG, 40% 3PT) - Minimum
    Jonas Jerebko (6 ppg, 3 rpg, 47% FG, 41% 3PT) - Minimum
    Amir Johnson (5 ppg, 5 ppg, 1.6 apg, 54% FG) - Minimum
    Javale McGee (5 ppg, 3 rpg, 62% FG) - Minimum

    None of these guys are going to turn any team around by themselves, that's why they are minimum guys, though maybe Noel could be decent if he gets his attitude right. A good combination of them in addition to your other guys though can be the depth a team needs. Stauskas is not that good, but neither is MCW, and at least he can shoot.
     
  13. cheke64

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    Don't worry, Morey will fix it.
     
  14. ThunderStruck

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    For sure, and if Knight and Nene and even Green were healthy / healthier, though the first two were already expected out. Still, it is a problem that the team is 0-5 when Paul is out, and 1-3 without Harden. So far without one star the team is 1-8, should be able to go 4-4, even 3-5 in those types of situations.
     
  15. PolarBear

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    CP3 will miss 20+ games this year, just like last year...and the year before.
    His leg and knee problems aren't going to go away at his age and mileage.

    So that's 20+ games of pure 'suckage'. We're 1-7 this season with less than the 3 playing this year, due to having no bench (and EG playing like crap).
    .667 ball for 60 games is 40 wins. Add in about .200 ball when he doesn't play gets another 4-5 wins....which sounds like an 8 seed...and that assumes no injuries to Harden or Capela.
     
  16. J Sizzle

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    Lmao

    Half this website tried to talk themselves into MCW and Melo. Morey ain’t the only one.
     
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  17. apollo33

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    That's a ****ing dumb way of looking at things because Chris Paul is never heathy, so it's a moot point. Even Harden will get injured when you run him into the ground like this without CP3.

    Who cares what we are when they both play, when have the season so far they don't play together.

    Warriors, OKC, Raptors were all winning without their best player, it's no excuse.
     
  18. Hmc415

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    This x1000000000. Calm down people. Rockets are still good when healthy
     
  19. Hmc415

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    And even tho gsw and OKC have done good even thru inuuries, they 4-5 games ahead. It's not insurmountable
     
  20. s3ts

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    This will get blamed on d'Antoni.

    His rotation is 7 players, and he continues to show the inability to make the pieces fit. I get it, Morey deserves more blame, but no owmer would fire a guy like Morey.
     

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