[NBC News] Dem Congressman calls for gun confiscation and nuking gun owners

The intent seemed to be when freedoms were threatened, there's been individual cases where this threshold has probably been broken, and i tend to think it's up to the individual to determine their threshold, for good or bad

Well this is a slightly different question tbh, this question is more akin to when will you be considered in the right, and the answer to that tends to be when you win, the founding fathers would have also been executed for treason had they lost. In modern times, that assuredly would require the military to defect.

It's more a practical matter, than a theoretical matter, while there's no doubt that "the people" couldn't hold out against the military, it would actually require the military, if you disarm the public, you would no longer need to the military on your public, which tbh, and there's a very good chance they would simply refuse to turn on their own population. Such a government can use a small armed groups, such as the stasi or ss, pathological misanthropes who are quite comfortable killing thousands of their own people in order to control them.

 

You raise good questions and to follow up on some of the answers already provided. It is always important to understand what did the founders actually intend by the Second and how did they actually put it into action. At the time of the founding of the country we didn't have things like national guard or a standing army. The country couldn't afford those and the experience with the British left the new United States suspicious of standing armies. In Federalist 29 Hamilton clearly states that the purpose of the militia is for the defense of the State. A well regulated militia is exactly what we read it as Not as individual citizens taking up arms to fight against what they perceive as a tyrannical government but an organized group with a leadership and command structure acting on behalf of collective security for the state. State in this instance does mean the individual states and not necessarily the Federal government.
This view was put into practice both before the Constitution was ratified and after the Constitution was ratified. Washington assembled militia to put down Shays Rebellion in 1786 and later in the Whiskey Rebellion of 1791. In both those cases government led militia was called out to crush militia of individual citizens. The Second Amendment didn't act an individuals check on the power of the government but as the basis for empowering the government to act in collective self-defense even against rebellious citizens of that government.
These are critical distinctions that have been lost even by many of those who claim to be Constitutional originalists.

 

He brought up nukes but never said gun owners should be nuked. That's just being dishonest to post that.

 

You were not being sarcastic. The right wing news outlet spun it that way and you picked it up and posted it without actually looking at or thinking about the actual context of the twitter conversation.

 

Are you kidding me, I am enjoying this way too much.