[The Otto Porter Movement] First it was just an afterthought, then came the movement, and now....

Tillman won't have to pay a lot since as you said salaries are moving out. 5M additional for Porter no matter how cheap ass he is Tillman should do it.

 

Lol what? That's not how money works.

 

What are you talking about? Money goes out, money comes in. The difference is the actual cost since you are paying the cost of Nene, Chriss and BK even if you do not do the trade meaning 21M is sunk cost whether you do the trade or keep these players. It's freaking simple how can you not get this?

 

LOL. Yea, I never understood how people in business never understood sunk cost. Just like in business, these bad NBA contracts are sunk cost.

We have 3 sunk cost contracts with Chrrisss, Knight, and Nene. Whether you waive them or never play them, they are sunk cost. $21 million worth.

So, yes, essentially, you're just getting back $5 million more in salary, and for a player you can use...and you get rid of 3 sunk cost on the bench...never leaving bench

 

Just because nene hasn't played yet this season doesn't mean he won't. He is definitely not Melo. I also do not think Morey will trade Ego until we can honestly see what on earth Knight can do. I also see no reason why the Wizards would want Nene back if they have dwert on their team. If melo was only tradeable at this time... he would at least help them sell tickets... melo knight chris mcw for otto porter...

 

Well, it kind of goes without saying if we trade for Porter we’re hoping to get the player we saw the previous two seasons. That’s your Ariza on steroids player. 2018 Otto Porter has been something much different, though. Numbers have fallen off a cliff, getting benched in crunch-time, sky-rocketing up the “worst contract in the NBA” charts.....you know the rest.

As for Ennis, anyone familiar with this team knows how valuable Ariza’s contributions were. That said, the consensus seemed to be despite knowing that value, he wasn’t worth the $15M Phoenix surprised us with. Enter: James Ennis, the bargain bin replacement for Ariza. Up/down season so far, but showing promise and possesses similar strengths and weaknesses. My point: James Ennis can outperform the 2018 version of Otto Porter — and that’s placing aside the massive salary disparity. It’s enough to scare me off.

I understand you have to take risks and it’s reasonable to assume a change of scenery would do him good. I just never really liked him at that price tag to begin with, let alone right now when his numbers have fallen off a cliff. To each his own, though.

 

You gotta be a little worried that Porter is getting benched by the F’ing Wizards.

I’d be worried to take on that contract. Untradable...

 

I do not see Morey trading anyone in the primary rotation.

His trade assets are Knight, Chriss, Nene, MCW (lol) and all his picks.

Everyone that played in that Warriors game -- I cannot see trading away (Harden, Paul, Capela, Tucker, Gordon, Ennis, Clark, Hartenstein, Green, Edwards).

Joe Cheese will be a Rocket for life because China $$$

 

Even the Ringer article the OP cited includes a big problem that Porter doesn't address -- we need to rest Paul more.

Morey hoped that Brandon Knight would be the answer but he can't even play yet. We either hope he eventually returns or trade for another competent PG.

We need another solid PG that can reduce CP3's minutes, and he would be good enough to keep the Rockets' 2nd unit afloat in the playoffs in case Paul gets hurt again. It's well documented now that Gordon is not capable of leading an offense as the PG.

 

The salaries match this season but Porter has 3 more season on to his salary vs Nene one and the rest just disappear.

Random thought => there are more Clarks in the g league solid players that need the right FIT. We need FIT & FUNCTION over stats & upside. Today players that fill roles on the team. If coach will play them => 10 day contracts => if it works bonus if not go fish. By play offs we will have a TEAM.

Edwards is the player that we should be looking at => back up small forward.

DM NEEDS to get an defense/3 point shooting combo guard from the g league.

With cap space so limited this is a way to roundout the TEAM.

 

We need those players too but they are a crapshoot and can fill limited roles. We need to fill out our 8 man rotation with the best and most solid pieces we can and have those guys develop around it. Not everybody is Clark. Most of those guys are going to take 4 or 5 years to figure it out if ever. We have played with a lot of fit players from RGV for years but none of those guys really stick in anything but garbage minutes. Against playoff competition those talent gaps become much more apparent and the ease with which things work in the regular season require layers of nuance and ability to overcome when teams can gameplan against you. We do need more of these younger players to emerge and be able to take on significant minutes in blowouts so they can develop. You are very much right that they need to fill a specific role and do it consistently. Chriss is so horrible because he does the exact opposite of that just like Melo did.

 

100% this. been saying it too.

the other thing to think about is the luxury tax: 132, and 143M in the next 2 years.

Player: 2019, 2020
paul: 38.5, 41.3
harden: 37.8, 40.8
capela: 14.8, 16.0
Gordon: 14.0, UFA
Tucker: 8.3, 7.9
Ennis: 1.8, UFA
Hart: 1.4, 1.6
Qi: 1.6, 1.7
Clark: .8, RFA

TOTAL: 119 (2019), 109 (2020)

trading knight, nene, and chriss for porter would not only increase our cap hit this year by over $5M (play whatever tax hit that is, but it would put us over the tax next year by $14M. In 2021, we'd be 6M under the cap... but that's not counting extensions for gordon, ennis, and clark.

porter's salary is just too much unless we are willing to pay significant taxes 3 years in a row.

 

My belief is we will shoot our shot over next three years and then go through a tear down

 

Joe Chee like Yi has a safe fallback plan - the CBA.

 

He would be a great fit, but that contract is freaking horrible. It even has a 15 percent trade kicker. We would have no flexibility if it didn't pan out this year. Essentially it would be Harden, CP3, Cap, and Porter and a bunch of minimum players for the next 3 seasons. We couldn't even afford to resign EG if we wanted to.

 

God damnit that's brilliant!

 

Porter’s defense has been pretty bad so far this season.

He has regressed.

He doesn’t get to the line.

He doesn’t really like to shoot the ball either.

 

We need the use 10 day contracts and cull the talent as needed; we may go through 20 to find 2. Those 2 players are the only void on our roster, IMO. I know a g leaguer is not going to have the offense or defense run through them but can fill in at times. Coach has played a TIGHT rotation in the past but IF he can TRUST some young talent. We should be ready / healthy come playoffs and have emergency trustworthy talent as choices. (Think Green from last year) they are out there and hungry & coachable as the type of fit.

 

Otto Porter is an All Star caliber player. Full stop. Picking him up for scraps would be like the Lowry trade all over again.

 

30 million year for a player can't get you 15 points a game is not table scraps.