No . The laws they are violating involve chain of custody of the votes. Meaning they were not handled in a manner to secure there validity. It also has to do with them not saying how many votes are left. By law this must be reported. It also has to do with them 'finding new votes they missed' days after the election. It also has to do with how long this is taking. Every other county in florida finished in 2 hours. It also has to do with the election official in charge at bower county has already been convicted of destroying ballots in a previous election. I could go on. It isnt fair that bower county votes wont count, and nobody is to blame but the bower county officials for not following the law. Now nobody knows if the votes are valid. They shouldn't count and this lady should be arrested.
If the votes are valid, then they should count. You are punishing voters for mistakes of others. The sensible thing to do is to not punish the voters. Nothing is more important than making sure votes count.
Because of the incompetence of these people there is no way to know if the votes are valid. The integrity of the election is just as important. When you have people breaking laws by not reporting the total number of ballots within the time frame required by Florida law and "finding" ballots days after the election, how in the world can anyone believe they are valid ballots. There is a reason why Florida law requires them to give an accurate count of the total number of ballots within a short time of a poll closing. All other Florida counties have no issues following the law.
Again, a runoff election seems to be the only solution, run by an independent body. And the entire election process in FL (and GA for that matter) needs to be reviewed and improved).
Shouldn't every election be ran by an independent body? If there are only two candidates, why would you need a runoff? In GA, I voted in two elections and it was cumbersome. I couldn't vote in the first primary because my registration was 'lost'. In the general election, they consolidated voting locations at the last minute. In the second primary, I was registered independent so it was absolutely pointless for me to vote.(silly me for not knowing about the corrupt closed primary system) This happened in a rural very red country. Fraud had nothing to do it. Just pure ineptness and chaos. This year I voted in Fl. I missed the primaries because I didnt register. My only complaint is you must be registered 2-3 weeks before the election. A full week in a half before election, exact sample ballots are mailed to you. Plenty of time to research the candidates and understand the ballot. I was in and out in 3 minutes. It was by far the simplest and smoothest election I participated in. tl;dr GA voting system sucks. FL is good. Broward County is chalked full of fraud.
So there is a common thread between the two most controversial elections. Georgia and Florida...? How many other Clutch members have voted in both places?
In general, most elections are run by the state's secretary of state. In GA, the election was run by the republican candidate for governor. https://www.ajc.com/news/state--reg...georgia-governor-race/MV3R6DVALi8lyrq42NaAhM/ In Florida, there were also many problems. If *either* candidate wins people will think it was the result of election problems/trickery. To me it would be important to restore citizen faith in the election process to have a runoff between the two leading candidates. and have an independent group oversee the process, starting with ballot design and all the way through to how the votes are counted.
Man, if the location of the the first two races on that ballot confused people, you can guarantee they didn't finish sophomore year. But I do agree that every vote matters so Florida should make sure every legitimate vote is counted.
I agree with you about Georgia. I experienced systematic failure (and not just limited to the voting process) that leaves massive room for manipulation and fraud. I am not a resident of GA so I really dont care who wins. I hope whoever wins can fix their problems. In the FL Senate race, there were only two candidates on the ticket. Again, there is nothing to runoff. The polling favored Gillum and Nelson by a couple points. The polling was off. I preferred Gillum however he clearly lost. I respect the guy even more for not acting a fool about it. I like Nelson and Scott. I think Nelson has been in office a little too long, but either will do a good job. Republicans have a good hold in the Senate. It matters little who wins when it comes to Washington. So what I am trying to tell you is the problem is not with the system in FL. The problem is with the people in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach trying to manipulate the system, or just pure incompetence in the least. The other 64 counties had very little problems, including the other 10 blue counties.
Florida has a history of election issues, including the 2000 "hanging chads" election. http://time.com/5450501/florida-recount-2018/ Another issue, the "signature matching" process. Ex-Dem lawmaker: My vote in Florida wasn’t counted due to signature issues https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...my-vote-wasnt-counted-due-to-signature-issues Both races met the standard for recounts. I think at the very least this process has to be completed as no one should favor votes not being counted. But at this point if Nelson and Gillum wins, the republicans will think the election was a fraud (and how could you fault them). And if Scott and DeSantis wins, Democrats will think it was a fraud (and again, how could you fault them). To regain confidence in the election, I think a "runoff" (basically, redoing the election) is the only solution.
It’s more important to exhaust all possibilities to ensure the validity of votes over saying to not count that. If the entire process takes months, it’s worth it.
When the people in charge of the elections in these two counties proved to be inept and did not follow Florida law, all the ballots they keep "FINDING" have no way to be proven valid. There is absolutely no way to ensure the validity of any of these ballots that were not accounted for. There is a reason why Florida sets time limits up for reporting total ballots. When these ballots likely do not get counted, you can blame all of this on the incompetent and likely corrupt people in charge of these two counties elections. All other Florida counties had no issues following the laws including the ones that were just walloped by a major hurricane. I predict all of this will likely end up in front of the SCOTUS before a final decision is made.
Why did I think you were an Arizona resident? Anyway, interesting perspective on the SEst -- thanks much for sharing the experience. I think too many Americans, of every stripe, encounter difficulty in voting.
If the state law requires it, then it should be done. There are going to be hardliners who will always think there is fraud. If there is no absolute proof of wide scale fraud, redoing the election would be the undoing. We have the ballots. They just need to be counted properly and ensure there is no massive fraud. Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach needs to get their **** together. Why is it in my county I can track my mail in ballot, see if its been tallied and if there is an invalid signature, I can sign an online affiliated if my ballot was flagged?
There should be a minimum federal standard to voting in federal election for security, efficiency, validity, and participation. GOP won’t push for one given their desire for suppression, so I hope the DEM do when they have power.
Not if you want to just throw them out wholesale for political gain. I don’t how anyone is so sure that this can’t be resolved at this time. What exactly is known? What has been confirmed officially -I don’t take Twitter as anything official. Even if there is a serious issue, how do we know their can’t be a resolution? Worse case, could there be a call up to all the voters in question (they have name right?) and get their vote - a mini re-election if you will? Throwing out a whole county of this size is nuts and I can’t believe someone would even consider that.
