That's a fair perspective from a consumption standpoint, but I've always felt their being afforded the same legal protections, internal resources and cultural significance as hard news reporters: to say nothing of their contribution to news' organizations' bottom line, are all too important to risk by allowing other institutions to compartmentalize them. If we did a better job acting on information and exposition, or even proactively seeking it out through government meetings or official and public postings, great; but most Americans nowadays need context, imagery and affinity to make any kind of choices.
Great, all these whiners in here, I didn't see them protesting the treatment of Acosta from CNN. Funny how that works....and what happened to that caravan...you know what Fox told the stupid people to worry about.???? DD
I kind of doubt that your paraphrase is “exactly” the argument he made. But if it was it is easy enough to dismantle, and one doesn’t need to invoke Hitler comparisons to do so.
I see your standard is that unless it's a direct quote it's not the same thing. Sorry but it's absolutely troubling that you think someone who is saying that different people can't live side by side and that doesn't bother you. It's strange that you are very anti-diversity, I remember that you were really bothered by diversity before so it's no surprise you would support what Tucker Carlson is saying.
No one on the right including yourself complains when many people (who aren't even liberal) get death threats because they criticized Kavanaugh or spoke out against Trump. Tucker Carlson didn't get a death threat, it was a protest at his home - not cool but far less than someone telling you they are going to kill you and your family. The right is escalating things, and now complaining about the result???
I haven't said anything in this thread aligning with or even specifically referencing conservative politics.
You've been selectively reading, then. My first post in here was directly answering the question of why this was newsworthy, particularly considering the aims of civil disobedience and political protests. The second post was meant to validate the role of commentators in news media and more broadly in aiding the public's engagement of political issues.
On the Military He never brings up the military in the video that I posted. I encourage you to post the video you are referring to so we can discuss it honestly and judge for ourselves if you are mischaracterizing what Tucker actually said. But since you brought up the military we can certainly start there. First I’m going to assume you mischaracterized what Tucker said about the military based on the video that I posted where he is very clear. Tucker’s stance is that diversity is not bad but its just not our strength; unity and common beliefs are our strengths. In the video I posted above he also mentions language as an important commonality. Why does the military start training everyone to look, act, and react the same from the very moment they enter boot camp? They give everyone the same haircut and same clothes. They teach you to all fold and display your socks and underwater the same. Everyone hangs up their clothers with two fingers between each hanger. They teach you to all walk, march and run the same. This doesn’t just stop at basic training, the demand for doing everything the same continues throughout your career. Everyone in the military lives their life under the US Code of Military Justice and everyone in the military has to be able to speak english regardless if you speak other languages. I spent many years in the military and ETSd honorably. But if diversity, not unity and commonalities are what makes a military great, why do they spend so much time stripping away your individuality and building you back up as a unit? Do you really think a military can be successful if everyone does not speak a common language and live under a common code? On Neighbors and Coworkers First, I don’t think think “Do you get along better with your neighbors and coworkers if you can’t understand each other, or share no common values?” is an exact quote but its a close enough paraphrase to go with. Tucker did not make a statement there, he asked an honest question. I would love to hear your answer and rationale to that question. Remember, Tucker is not saying that you can’t get along or like your neighbors and coworkers, he is asking if you get along better. Let’s start with coworkers; Do you think its easier to work with someone if you don’t speak a common language? How about your neighbors, are you more likely to hangout with them if you share no common values? What if your neighbor does not speak a language that you understand, comes from a culture that openly and physically oppresses women and does not believe in our constitution or laws. What if that neighbor does not agree with a peaceful transition of power at the end of every election cycle? To break it down in simpler terms, if he or she doesn’t speak a language that you understand how often are you going to call him or her? Suppose you are having an emergency, are you going to call that neighbor for help? Are you going to invite them over or would they even come to your house to watch a sporting event if they didn’t like sports? If you are a religious person would they worship with you if they are not a religious person? Remember no one is saying that you can’t live peaceably together or that you can’t enjoy your interactions with one another when it happens. Do you get along better if you can’t understand each other and share no common values. False Equivalencies and Leftist Dog Whistles Both of those things are actually tools of the left when they don’t want to address an uncomfortable fact or claim the right is being disingenuous as a way to deflect from the original subject matter. I’m going to use both of those tools right now however because they seem to fit what you did in your post like a glove. You just compared a man who is not a politician, although he has certain amount of influence as someone who is the host of a nightly television show, to a man who was the leader of a country that practiced genocide against an entire group of people based on their biological and cultural ancestry. Were or are you Jewish or of Jewish decent? To the best of my knowledge Tucker has never called for or orchastred the attempted genocide of a people. Comparing Tucker to Hitler seems to me to be the very embodiment of a “False Equivalency” You go on to claim bigotry where none existed. Tucker simply asked the question, “Do you get along better with people if you can’t understand them and don’t share some commonalities?” There is nothing bigoted in that question and doesn’t imply that you can’t like or get along with that person. Calling bigotry where none exists seems the very definition of the leftist dog whistle used to call out to other leftists in an attempt to scream bigotry and deflect away from the actual subject matter and prevent honest debate. Don’t Forget the Actual Point of Tucker’s Opening Dialogue The point of Tuckers opening dialogue isn’t to debate if diversity is good or bad, it’s to point out that it’s not the strength of a nation or people. If you think that point is debatably then debate it honestly without the use of false equivalencies and leftist dog whistles. Why do you think you would get along better with your neighbors, coworkers or even family members if you can’t communicate with them or share in at least some commonalities? Diversity may be the spice of life but without commonalities, the ability to have the most successful nation in the history of mankind would vanish. Some commonalities that are imperative in my opinion. - The ability to communicate with one another - The belief in a constitution - The belief in a peaceful succession of power at the end of each voting cycle - The belief in due process - The belief that legal citizens of this country should not have their rights mitigated - The right for people to live their lives in peace while pursuing life, liberty and happiness - The right to religious freedom - The right to not have your rights mitigated based on race, sex, religion Those are very basic rights that we as a nation have decided over the course a couple of hundred years are important to us. We evolved over the years to understand that we didn’t always do a good job of defining those rights but we have gotten better from when we started. Many cultures do not share in those core values. We as a nation should have a right to expect anyone we allow into our country as legal immagrants or citizens to embrace those rights. If they don’t embrace those rights or we as a people can’t at the very least agree on a set of values we are going to have a very tough time moving forward as a Nation. Antifa We are already seeing this play out as many groups like Antifa don’t operate under those common values. They believe in anarchy and silencing people by any means necessary if they don’t agree with them. This country has become more divided tribal because of Antifa. The fact that the mainstream left embraces Antifa has made the divide even that much greater. I’ve seen some very good responses the left wing mainstream media denouncing Antifa’s actions against Tucker. Hopefully that is the start of a trend of all media denouncing Antifa and all terrorist groups. We all need influential people on the left like Don Lemon to stop defending Antifa and start condemning them for what they are. Hateful and Divisive Rhetoric Although most of us on the right love President Trumps policies (which are and should be open for honest debate), many of us actually agree that he is a divisive President that should keep his tweets in his pocket and stop with the hateful rhetoric. Trump is not a good person and I would never want him close to my wife or daughters. There are prominent members of the right that have called out Trump (like Trey Gowdey) and mainstream right media that call him out almost daily for the divisive things he says. If you listen to the Ben Shapiro podcast then you know he calls out Trump almost daily for being a divisive jackass. As far as I know everyone in the mainstream right denounce hate groups including white supremists, the alt-right, neo nazis. Even President Trump that used the alt-right to help get elected has distanced himself from the alt-right and it started when he fired Steve Bannon. We need the mainstream left to step up and do the same to leaders like Nanci Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder when they preach “civil unrest until the left re-assumes control”. They need to denounce Hollywood for their part in the hateful rhetoric when people like Madonna, Samantha Bee and Kathy Griffin put out their hate filled videos that many times is an outright call for violence to many of their fans. Hateful Rhetoric isn’t something that needs to stop on one side, it needs to stop on both sides.
Nope. What you described as his “exact” argument is just so obviously false, I doubt that was what he was saying. Of course different people can live next to eachother peacefully, and they do so all the time (provided their differences do not lead to personal animosity between them). A quote or clip would help, of course. I prefer to comment on what he actually said, rather than your paraphrase of what he said.
Acosta did not follow proper protocol and had done nothing but grandstand IMO. While I do not agree with the assertion that he put his hands on the female intern in a disrespectful way, I do think there were more than sufficient grounds to revoke his credentials based on the fact that he continued to grandstand and refused to give up the microphone when told to do so. Trying to compare a reporter losing his credentials to someone’s wife having to hide for her life in a closet and experiencing a night of terror is text book “False Equivalency”. Hell, they’re not even in the same ballpark.
Please point out the quote where Tucker said different people can’t live side by side. That is a direct lie and I challenge you to prove your statement is not a lie.
They were not protesting, they were vandalizing his house and property and attempted physical violence in an attempt to silence him in order to further their own social agenda. When someone is slamming himself into your front door so hard that it actually cracks the door while a mob of people are chanting over a bull horn, “We will fight, we know where you sleep at night” while your wife hides terrified in a closet because she is scared her life is in danger; that is terrorism. That is a direct threat against your life both in the moment and in the future. The fact that you continue to marginalize what happened as a bad nights sleep or just a protest and nothing more is why I said and stand by the statement that you are precisely the type of person that would have justified cross burnings to further your own social or political agenda.
I have said that the people that did that should be arrested and prosecuted. Worse things happen at sporting event violence, music concerts, black Friday sales, and all sorts of events. So, is it really worth an undue amount of attention? No, definitely not.
Dairy Ashford is the poster formerly known as pouhe. I guess Clutch let him change his name. He has never been right leaning.
When a known terrisist group goes to a individuals house in the middle of the night and uses violence, vandalism, attempted breaking & entering and threats against your life in order to push a social agenda, you're damn right its worht the attention. This is a terrorist group that the mainstream left wing media has promoted, defended and attempted to normalize. It sounds like after the attack, some on the left are actually starting to distance and even condemn the group. I’m still waiting on Don Lemon to comment because we have all seen him defending Antifa. Here is an offer from me to you. Stop trying to marginalize this terrorist act and condemn it. Just condemn it with out qualifying your words. Condemn Antifa for what they are, a terrorist group and lets you and I stand together and condemn all terrorist groups together on this website. That includes the alt-right, neo nazis, white supremists as well as Antifa and Bamn or any other radical group that tries to use any sort of civil unrest to force and intimidate our society into social or political change. That seems like a good starting point and not just a reasonable request but a very decent request. We don’t have to agree on political or social views but we should be able to agree to stand against this type of social discourse.
You seem to be a little irrational right now. The mainstream media has not attempted to defend or promote Anti-fa. I don't know where you are getting that. Yes, the Anti-fa has been designated a terrorist group. I have yet to see any terrorist acts from them that are on par with the terrorist acts from neo-nazi groups, white supremacist groups etc. I have condemned them for what happened at Tucker's house. It isn't terrorism and it isn't worse than any of the other examples of violence I have presented. I have advocated them being arrested, fined, and prosecuted which could also lead to imprisonment. You offering to act like Anti-fa is on the same level as the neo-Nazis and other groups that actually murder and attempt to murder folks at a greater rate than Anti-Fa isn't really an offer in which I'm interested.
People saying Tucker Carlson deserved this are mentally ill. To me out of Fox News anchors he’s one of the more level headed guys. He’s obvioisly still very biased but both cnn and foxnews have guys that actually make good points and have common sense but for the most part Fox News and cnn are filled with morons Antifa is a mob group that has hardly ever actually gone after the real people they claim to hate. They are nothing more then radical left that attack anyone who disagrees with them and their logical defense is that somehow deep down the right are Nazis and they are the heroes while they ignore the corruption on their side
Here is Don clearly defending Antifa: Here is Chris Cuomo marginalizing and defending Antifa. He cloaked his speech in a vail of “violence is wrong but.... speech”. As we saw last night, Antifa doesn’t just go after white supremists they go after anyone that doesn’t agree with them. They have been doing that for years. Here is more CNN defending Antifa in the midst of an anti-Donald Trump rant. Like Cuomo before him Dyson maintains Antifa are only using violence to combat racism and bigotry where white supremists or like groups show up in violence. This of course is a lie.
