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[Blue Wave] Top Democratic Priority after Big Win

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Astrodome, Nov 7, 2018.

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What do you feel like should be the main priority for the Dems?

  1. Impeach Kavanaugh

    5 vote(s)
    16.7%
  2. Impeach Trump

    7 vote(s)
    23.3%
  3. Get Trump's tax returns

    11 vote(s)
    36.7%
  4. Intensify Russia Probe

    9 vote(s)
    30.0%
  5. Focus on 2020

    9 vote(s)
    30.0%
  6. Other, specify below.

    9 vote(s)
    30.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Corrosion

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    That lawsuit was not brought by Trump but by 20 states - led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and they are not attacking the pre-existing condition clause directly.

    The argument is that without the individual mandate (Tax / penalty for failure to comply) the entire bill is unconstitutional.

    It was former Attorney General Sessions who declined to defend the law which is awaiting a ruling here in Texas.

    Trump has stated that if it is struck down the replacement will cover pre-existing conditions.

    Now that doesn't mean we should believe him …. but with the approval ratings of that portion of ACA being around 70% or higher , I find it hard to believe they'd go back on that statement , it would piss off a lot of people.

    Here's an article on it - It wont let me copy and paste …. Link


    Honestly other than covering pre-existing conditions , ACA has been a total disaster. It covered a bunch of people that didn't have coverage before but it also forced many more out of the market with the price hikes , I'm one of those and I have a pre-existing condition.
    I've paid out of pocket for the last 20 years being self employed or retired , ACA nearly doubled my rates. I decided I'd go to Ben Taub rather than give the insurance company a house payment every month.


    The irony here is that my wife is an executive in the insurance industry.
     
  2. Corrosion

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    Please , put me on ignore.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm confused because this article mentions Trump's lawyers arguing against it.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/8/17441512/obamacare-lawsuit-texas-trump. I will read the link you posted.
     
  4. Corrosion

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    Apparently that article is equating Texas Attorney General Ken Paxon to "the Trump administration."

    Its factually incorrect , this lawsuit was brought by 20 states.

    Honeslty this thing needs to be thrown out and replaced with a single payer system - We're behind the times and the rest of the developed world in that regard.
     
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    Yet even the article you linked said that Trump's Justice department signed on to the lawsuit and specifically asked that the Pre-existing conditions clause would be axed.
     
  6. Corrosion

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    The article says …. he said she said.

    Trump said Sessions didn't notify him of the decision , Sessions said he did (to Paul Ryan).

    Who's story to buy ?


    I almost put this in my last post but didn't -

    I wonder if this was the plan all along - repeal the mandate and have someone in a favorable district (Texas is that) challenge the rest of the law.
    It makes sense because they couldn't get the votes to repeal in the House early on after a couple failed attempts , then suddenly they go quiet on the subject after the mandate was removed. That was a big part of their 2016 campaign - repeal and replace. They didn't crow about repealing the mandate.


    This could also have had something to do with Trump asking Sessions to resign yesterday. They have been at odds on a lot of issues. Hell who hasn't been at odds with the Orange Idiot ?!


    Like I said , its my position that we move to a single payer system - get the insurance industry out of healthcare all together. All they do is skim off the top and add no value at all. It can be administered for far less than the insurance companies take.
     
  7. CometsWin

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    How did the Kavanaugh ordeal blow up in their faces? The Dems won 40 seats in the House and did okay in the Senate with a very unfavorable map.
     
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  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Their main focus will be to obstruct anything the Senate wants to pass and to conduct investigations looking for dirt on their political rivals. We can hope that at some point they'd consider the best interests of the country, but I think expecting Democrats to put country ahead of party would be pretty naive.

    They'll end up overplaying their hand thinking that they had a "big win" in the last election despite Republicans gaining seats in the Senate and them only managing a slight majority in the House which will lead to a disaster for them in the next election where they loose what little they gained and end up getting Trump re-elected.

    I hope they prove me wrong.
     
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  11. MojoMan

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    It was a very typical, average, seasonal tide, first presidential midterm election, where the Democrats won less seats than the Republicans did during Obama's first midterm in 2010 (63) or Clinton's first midterm in 1994 (52).

    The Democrat left and their propaganda arm in the mass media had been insisting that Trump's election was a fluke. It was an anomaly that would not be supported by the next election, which we have now had, or in any future election. In fact, for Republicans it was not that bad, and they have legitimate hopes and expectations of being able to reclaim control of the House in two years, in 2020. The margin for Republicans to be able to do that will be approximately 18 seats, compared to the 23 the Democrats needed to take the House back from the Republicans. As you can easily see for yourself, it is not that steep of a climb.

    Meanwhile, the Republicans hold the White House and the Senate, and are grateful that the Supreme Court finally, after MANY years, has five justices who appear to take their oath of office seriously and are prepared to interpret the constitution rather than to effectively try to circumvent it or re-write it from the bench. At the state level, the Democrats evened things up a bit by taking back about 350 seats that the Republicans had held. But this is only a fraction of the 1200 seats that the Republicans took from the Democrats from 2010-2016, mostly during 2010 and 2014.

    So this most recent midterm election had to be a breath of fresh air for the supporters of the Democrat left. However, it was just a seasonal tide and nothing like the culminating final repudiation of Donald Trump that had been howled about by the media for two years, virtually non-stop, at the loudest volume and in the most unhinged manner that most people could possibly imagine.

    The Kavanaugh hearings were instrumental in motivating MANY otherwise apathetic Republican right voters to go to the polls, who probably would have just stayed home, had it not been for that completely despicable and spectacularly grotesque display by Senate Democrats, the Democrat left media and their literally shrieking supporters.
     
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  12. glynch

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    Says the guy who approved of the Repubs doing just that for years. I know lol you claim to be a "libertarian" at times like many right wingers.
    I bet you were all in with Benghazzi!!!
     
  13. larsv8

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    Yea, no.

    This was one of the worst congressional maps for the left and they absolutely steamrolled it.

    The only saving grace for the right was gerrymandered districts.

    The right got crushed because their platform is stupid and their leadership are corrupt assholes.
     
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  14. Bobbythegreat

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    When the Republicans did it, they won with it. I don't think it's a winning strategy for the Democrats because they are going after a different audience and they go about it differently. I mean, just look at how they went after Kavanaugh, doing that cost them winning the Senate and destroyed nearly all of the "blue wave" that up until that point it looked like they were going to get.

    Also, with as authoritarian as both the left and right have gotten recently you won't find many libertarians just really happy with those from either party.
     
  15. Spacemoth

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    There’s virtually nothing good that Trump for our pre-existing “American” institutions as we define things to be American. He has broken all the traditions of office and exercised every taboo power that hasn’t been explicitly banned in codified law itself. The very concept of democracy as a viable form of government has been undermined by his campaign and presidency, and now we know that there is nothing exceptional about our version of democracy.

    So if you want to say that good things have come out of this presidency, sure, I agree. But the silver linings to glean from this experience are more along the lines of, “the Constitution is flawed, the Founding Fathers were not ‘infinite’ in their wisdom, and we had better do some **** to shore up our institutions beyond saying that tradition will prevent trouble in the future.” Because just as happened prior to WWII, what we are seeing now is giving future demagogues a roadmap for how better and better to hijack our representative form of government to instead serve their individual interests. Who knows how it will all turn out? The world is getting smaller. Stay flexible.
     
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  16. glynch

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    Kavanaugh did not cause the Dems to lose the Senate. They had too many states to win. So you do not mind obstruction if your side wins. No thanks for your concern trolling wrt to Dem strategy.

    You love the authoritarian, anti-democratic control by billionaires over ordinary Americans. I know your ideology sees this all only from the point of view of the the FREEDOM of billionaires to lord it over everyone else who are free to work for less and pay for tings like health care for instance whatever the billionaires propose.

    BTW the Dems beat your guys, the Republicans by 12 million votes in the senate, but the slavery induced electoral college gives for instance S and N, Dakota with the combined population of inner loops Houston 4 senators. You forgot to mention the roughly 39 HOuse seats piced up by the Dems and the excess 9 million votes for Dems in the House.
     
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    If you were following the polls, Democrats in numerous states had their numbers crash after the Kavanaugh nonsense. It went from looking like a sure fire blue wave to the blue splash that happened. The Kavanaugh nonsense caused incumbents who were in control of their race like Claire McCaskill to be on her way out. The Kavanaugh attacks were the main thing that gave Republicans life in the midterms.
     
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    And now Maxine Waters is going to instigate and lead an investigation into Donald Trump in the House of Representatives.

    Bwahahaha! What could go wrong?
     
  19. Downtown Sniper

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    I'd say the priority would be to focus on the 2024 election, because Trump's here for 6 more years.
     
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    Huh, well you certainly seem like a level-headed and interesting person to discuss things with.
     

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