1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Midterms

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. SugarLandFan

    SugarLandFan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    12
    Likes Received:
    5
    I'm afraid old Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight is going to end up completely discrediting himself with this call that the D's take the House... he is saying 88% odds it will happen. I just don't see it...
     
  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    35,985
    Likes Received:
    36,839
    It's a reasonable model. It's just statistics. I don't see how it discredits him if the 12% chance comes up. It's just based on available data (largely the remaining people in America with land lines, LOL.)

    He was one of the only pollsters saying there was a decent shot of: HRC wins popular vote, Two Scoops wins electoral college in 2016. I watched his % chance of that grow day by day in October of 2016, and sure enough, he was onto something.

    Cheers.
     
    Amiga and quikkag like this.
  3. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

    Joined:
    May 15, 2000
    Messages:
    28,028
    Likes Received:
    13,051
    Just semantics. If you vote in one or the other you're effectively registered as that.
     
  4. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,975
    Likes Received:
    11,129
    I don't think his analysis is flawed. Do you think he's wrong about the Republicans keeping the Senate too? It is interesting to note PredicitIt is basically around 35% chance for Republicans to keep house control.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-need-a-systematic-polling-error-to-win-the-house/

    The reason it’s counterintuitive is because you can’t really identify 23 districts that are safe bets to flip to Democrats (that’s the number they need to take the House). In the Deluxe version of our model (the one I’ll be focusing on here), only 193 seats are considered to be “solid Democratic” (at least a 95 percent chance of a Democratic victory). If Democrats won only those seats and no others, they’d actually lose two seats from the 195 they control now. Another 15 seats are “likely Democratic,” where Democrats have at least a 75 chance of winning. Win those as well, and Democrats are … still up to a net gain of only 13 seats.


    The model then has 34 seats in its three most competitive categories: “lean Democratic” (eight seats), “toss-up” (16 seats) and “lean Republican” (10 seats). If Republicans win 24 of those 34 seats — assuming everything else goes to form — they’ll keep the House.

    How hard is that? Because of the possibility of a systematic polling error, it isn’t really that hard at all. If there’s a typical polling error of 2 to 3 percentage points and it works in Republicans’ favor, the House would be a toss-up. We might not even know the winner for several days as everyone waits for additional mail ballots to be returned from California. Thus, the Lite forecast gives Republicans a 2 in 9, or 22 percent, chance of keeping the House based on the possibility of a systematic polling error. Their chances are 18 percent in Deluxe and 15 percent in our Classic version, meanwhile.

    That isn’t a great position, but those are real, tangible chances.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...-the-house-but-theyre-pretty-clear-favorites/

    I’ll return to the micro vs. macro theme in a moment, but in case you aren’t reading any further, I want to leave you with this graphic. It shows the range of possible outcomes from the Deluxe version of our forecast, which is the version we expect to be most accurate and the one that will be the basis for our live-updating election night forecast. It’s all derived from how accurate polls and forecasts have been in the past, considering real-world uncertainties. And it conveys several important themes for how to think about our forecast:

    • The range of possible outcomes is wide. The shaded area, which covers the middle 80 percent of the forecast, runs from a Democratic gain of only 20 House seats, fewer than the 23 they need to win the House, all the way up to a gain of 54 seats. And remember, that covers only 80 percent of outcomes. There’s a 10 percent chance that Democrats gain more than 54 House seats, and a 10 percent chance they gain fewer than 20. The ranges in the other versions of our forecast, Classic and Lite, are wider still, with the potential for Democratic gains running up to about 60 seats.
    • Nonetheless, the considerable majority of the range is in Democratic territory. The Deluxe forecast shows them picking up a median gain of 35 seats and a mean of 36. So they do have some margin to spare.
    • Finally, the range is asymmetric, with the left tail (showing Democratic gains of 50+ seats) stretching out further than the right tail (showing a “red wave”). That’s because if Democrats beat their polls by a couple of points, they could begin to plunder seats that were gerrymandered to be “safe” for the GOP.
    [​IMG]
     
    #464 robbie380, Nov 5, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2018
    No Worries and quikkag like this.
  5. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,567
    Likes Received:
    17,546
    haven't listened to Rush in years, forgot how good he is at this

     
    mick fry likes this.
  6. DonKnock

    DonKnock Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    8,894
    Likes Received:
    14,914

    Everywhere I'm seeing (Other than Fox) is saying that the House is an inevitability for the Dems and that the Senate will be within 1 and could go either way, leaning Rep currently.
     
  7. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    Party before country. Before honor. Before integrity.

     
    Amiga, DonKnock and mdrowe00 like this.
  8. mdrowe00

    mdrowe00 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,668
    Likes Received:
    3,894
    ...Grassley's still mad that he was there in 1920, and nobody took his dissention seriously when he warned everybody in the Senate that giving women the right to vote was a mistake...
     
    #468 mdrowe00, Nov 6, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
    Rashmon, leroy, Harrisment and 2 others like this.
  9. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    46,634
    Likes Received:
    12,051
    Dems won't retake the Senate. They would be lucky just to break even considering they are defending 23 seats vs just 8 for Republicans.
     
    Pringles likes this.
  10. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2008
    Messages:
    16,325
    Likes Received:
    3,586
    I shouldn't be shocked that you drank cool aid about the senate race too... lol
     
  11. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    13,054
    Likes Received:
    8,356
    It is all about turnout. Those early voting numbers should Terrify Republicans.
     
  12. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2008
    Messages:
    16,325
    Likes Received:
    3,586
    I remember early voting looked promising in 2016 too. A frenzied base isn't enough to predict what the normal population do.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
  14. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    Yea, sure, you haven't listened in years

     
    joshuaao and quikkag like this.
  15. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,092
    Likes Received:
    23,369
    So many people still don’t understand stats and polling.

    NBA stats said CP3 has a 90% chance of making his free throw. He missed last night. NBA credibility is completely shot!
     
    joshuaao, quikkag, B-Bob and 2 others like this.
  16. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,092
    Likes Received:
    23,369
    It's quite irresponsible for normal, good, friendly everyday people and family members to allow their mind to believe in this type crap, but it happen too easily. It's quite common too - ref: lesser of two evils.
     
    quikkag likes this.
  17. Commodore

    Commodore Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    33,567
    Likes Received:
    17,546
    are you not aware she hired Christopher Steele, who used Russian contacts to dig up dirt on Trump?
     
  18. Harrisment

    Harrisment Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2001
    Messages:
    15,392
    Likes Received:
    2,158
    I hope Hillary is at least paying rent for all the space she still occupies in your head.
     
  19. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    Oh sure... you and the other russian disinformation trolls have spun that yarn out for a while now. Though this is an interesting version of that fable... so Hillary Clinton hired Steele? Were either of them wearing hats when she hired him?
     
  20. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    35,985
    Likes Received:
    36,839
    Sincerely, that is probably a good thing for your mental health.
    He is a very skilled peddler of delusion and alternative fact, a flagrant abuser of his audience's worst fears and tendencies, demonizing both their fellow citizens and also objectivity itself.

    When people ask "how did we get so divided in this country?" you can't answer that without at least a solid mention of Rush Limbaugh.
     
    sammy, quikkag, Amiga and 1 other person like this.

Share This Page