CNN, the Left and its Base are Complicit in the Current Toxic Atmosphere of Political Hate

You just have to accept the double standard.

Sure if you said "We have to stop demonizing people and realize that the biggest murder threat in this county is black men, most of them to the left, and we have to start doing something about them. There is no travel ban on them, there is no black guy ban....so what do we do about that?", which would be a factually accurate statement, you'd be called a racist for it, but Don Lemon says something almost identical.....not racist. It's just the way it is. You can't expect equal treatment these days, in fact, it's racist of you to think that you should be treated the same as someone else.

 

I don’t know that and you know damn well if the roles were reversed every media outlet except a handful would have lost their minds.

 

Well, watch again. Lemon was not saying there should be a white ban. He was pointing out the double standard and that Trump has mentioned a Muslim ban even though Muslims haven't been the biggest problem in domestic terror lately. His point was to ask why is Trump singling out another group while diverting resources and focus from where the real problem lies?

Like I said depending on how Hannity or a different white person addressed the situation. If they did it to cast blame and present a minority is bad then yes people should be up in arms. If he presented solutions to real problems as I mentioned in my previous post then there wouldn't be a problem.

I get that we probably aren't going to agree on these issues, but I thank you for at least trying to explain the issue you have with what Lemon said.

 

He was singling out a racial group and blaming them for the ills of the country, he did it to cast blame and present a racial group as bad. You would argue the travel ban, which didn't single out any specific racial or religious group, merely people from certain countries, was racist.....so there's no way you can be consistent in your logic unless you also argue that what Lemon said was racist.

 

Thank you for effort in explaining. I disagree that is what he was doing. Trump did discuss a Muslim ban. The ban he issued tried to disguise that is what it was a Muslim ban, but he initially discussed a Muslim ban.

 

He discussed that before he was in office and it's not what was done when he was in office because the vast majority of the Muslim world was completely unaffected by the failed states that were put on the list. I get trying to tie the ban to his previous comments, and if he attempted a true Muslim ban, I'd have been very much against it, but that's not really what was done.

It would be similar to if someone said that they wanted to ban all sugary drinks and then later they banned a handful of drinks that were so incredibly over the top that they were actively extremely unhealthy. You couldn't call that a sugary drink ban because most are completely unaffected, it was just a targeted ban of a few.

Also what makes the travel ban different is that it didn't just ban Muslims from those countries, it banned everyone. I could understand how that would seem like no big deal, but to me that's the difference between something acceptable, and something completely unacceptable.

 

I get the difference between what he said he would do and what he did. Part of the problem is that he placed a focus on a Muslim ban. Then he placed a focus on folks coming lawfully to point of entry in a caravan. He was focusing on groups that weren't white right-wing terrorist groups while those groups have been committing the most terrorist attacks in our nation lately. That was Lemon's point.

 

Just out of curiosity, what do you think will happen if the caravan is denied entry? Will they attempt to force their way in like they did getting into Mexico? If so, it's a problem.

As to Lemon's point, would you accept a counter point that we should stop focusing on terrorism because the real threat is black men murdering people?

Over the last 20 years, an average of 164 Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks every year.....and the ONLY reason why the number is that high is due to 9/11, excluding that the number drops REALLY low. When it comes to murders by black men, we're talking about 8000 or 9000 every single year.

Even though what I just wrote is factually accurate, wouldn't that be viewed as racist? I mean, I think it would....and that's essentially Lemon's point

 

do you have similar number for white murders?

 

Yes, but when a small percentage of something like 12-14% of the population has a "similar number" to a group that is 61-62% of the population, you have a problem. Of course the reason for this is explainable due to economic conditions and other factors, it's not that one group is "bad" so much as it's a problem that one group is extremely poor and violence is just what you get when you have extreme poverty and densely populated areas.

 

I agree that we go overboard on terrorism in terms of the time and money spent. Look at all the consternation on the right about the caravan, murders, rapists, terrorists, OH MY!!!

I would also point out that 8000-9000 is a pretty big swing in numbers, could you back those number ups with a link? I mean a quick internet search pulled up this little statistic about the number of murders in America.

Its also how you use those statistics to make an argument. If your argument is that all black men are dangerous because they commit "8000-9000" murders. Then you are making a racist statement, but if that hurts peoples feelings I could just say that they are making a damaging and uneducated stereotype about a race of people. The short answer for that is a racist statement.

 

I don't know what will happen when and if the caravan is denied asylum.

If the counterpoint was framed that way, I would be upset. If the counterpoint was let's see what we can do about addressing the needs by increasing spending and resources on education for underprivileged communities, eradicating discrimination in the justice system, and developing a more robust job training program and pointing out how that will also help to reduce crime then I would not be offended.

 

then what is the number?

"When it comes to murders by black men, we're talking about 8000 or 9000 every single year. "
When it comes to murders by white men, we're talking about ___________ every single year.

"because the real threat is black men murdering people? "

Show us what white men did and show us how they are not a threat.

 

Let me just say I love the "supreme arrogance" of whomever it is that wrote this to claim that Paul Krugman, a Nobel Lauriate with a PhD in economics is "economically illiterate". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the author has neither a PhD nor a Nobel Prize. Kruger-Dunning is alive and well.

If you wish to take issue with some specific conclusions, that's fine, but 'economically illiterate'? That pretty much right there encapsulates everything wrong the great thinker that created this. I'm sure their education from high school social studies class and reading Breitbart totally qualifies them to hold a lecture at the Sorbonne on the finer points of macrorconomic theory.

 

The reason for the large swing in numbers is that some years have more, some have less. Some years black men commit the majority of murders in the country, some years it's in the 40's

Also, I want to be clear, I never intended to suggest that all black men were dangerous. In fact, what makes those numbers that much worse is that it's not 12-14% of the country that account for those murders, because black men only make up about 6% of the country and it's still a small fraction of them that are violent.....so I mean, we could be talking about 1% or less of the population committing between nearly half and more than half of the murders in this country in any given year. It's just crazy how that works out.

What I'm really saying when I bring that up, in the context of this conversation, is that maybe we should spend more resources attempting to reach that 1% than we do on terrorism.

Fair enough.

 

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In a given year with something like 17k murders you'll have 5k of them be by white men, and something like 8500 by black men.

I wasn't trying to suggest that white men aren't also a "threat", honestly anyone can be a "threat", I was just pointing out the disproportionate murder rate coming from a small percentage of black men. When something like 1% of the population is murdering (in this instance) 8500 out of 17k, that's a lot and IMO a problem that should be focused on...perhaps more so than terrorism.