In regards to Deshaun Watson. It is amazing what happens when you have an effective run game and can run play action off of it. Its why it is so hard to compare a Mahomes and Watson. If Mahomes were playing behind this OL, he would not be half of what he is now. You give Watson the Chiefs set up and you would see similar production to what Mahomes is doing now. If you were to compare the QB's, I would go off eye test from when they are in the pocket.
I certainly don't believe Mahomes would be doing half of much as what he is now under our OL, simply because he is so good at hitting receivers on the run, scrambling and running for his life avoiding sacks. He can get rid of that ball really quick at times as well. I also don't know if Watson would be doing as well as Mahomes if he was on that team. He isn't any more accurate than Mahomes, and doesn't have as strong of an arm, so I don't know why he would. As for the Chief's Offensive Line, well there are several better ones in the league, and their quarterbacks aren't doing as well as Mahomes. Not only that, but the kid has scored multiple touchdowns against some really good teams, and deserves more credit than he gets I think. The Texans are and always will be my team, but I still really enjoy watching Mahomes, and think he's doing awesome for a kid in his first year of starting in the NFL. I'll root for that Texas kid to succeed, even if he is on the Chiefs.
With Mahomes you have to give him the same asterisk every other successful rookie QB has gotten, including Deshaun, RG3, Kaepernick, Mariota, and VY etc. It takes one full offseason for defensive coordinators to get a hold of their tendencies, their preferred routes and receivers etc. We don’t know what he will be until he’s passed his sophomore slump like Watson has just done. Sometimes the DC’s figure a QB out and he’s finished, like Kaepernick and RG3. Sometimes they emerge even stronger, like Wentz and Goff and it appears, Watson.
I think Mahomes will be fine he’ll pass the slump. But he’s not going to put up 25tds through 8 games. I’m fact he may never do that again. Rodgers has never done it even once, neither has drew Brees. Brady has done it 1 time and Manning 2x, that’s it. It’s hard for me to compare Watson and Mahomes. No doubt Mahomes has better arm talent, he might have the most arm talent ever, him and Andrew luck are the two best in that regard of the last decade. But Rodgers was very much like Watson. 6’2 210-220lbs. Good arm not great. Good athletes but not cam newton, mike Vick type guys. But something about those two in the pocket is unique, I’ve just never seen it before. Not saying it’s anymore or less effective then a more traditional strong armed passer like mahomes, luck or Manning before the neck injury but its exciting to watch. When I watch Watson I feel like I’m seeing a guy much like Rodgers who is just one of a kind I don’t know who to compare him to. the throws they make weaving in and out of the pocket keeping eyes down field doing spin moves and just launching the ball to a WR just leave me in speechless When I watch Mahomes (and I’ve paid close attention to him the last two weeks) I just see a great QB who’s going to put up monster numbers. But I don’t feel like I’m watching somebody unique. He’s a baller, he’s a guy who like Watson looks to have MVP and super bowl potential. But we’ll see he’s still got 8 games to go this year. Watson first 7 starts we’re equally as impressive with much less talent around him. I think Mahomes would play well In Houston, I also think it’s stupid to think Watson wouldn’t ball out in KC. 25tds? Prob not but Watson has 15 in Houston why should we think he wouldn’t have 20tds in KC? There both good and maybe great. Watson is the better athlete with better pocket feel. Mahomes has the better arm and very good timing on his throws.
I think what you are forgetting is that this is only his first year as a starter. You are comparing him to guys who have been in the league a long time, and who didn't put up numbers like that in their first year. Most quarterbacks get better after a few years in the league, and he might just become the best QB we've ever seen. Watson may as well. Nobody really knows, but it's exciting to watch. Only time will tell.
Well ya sure that could happen but he doesn’t have to put up 25 yds through 8 games ever again to be considered the best QB ever. What I was implying is that this level is prob unsustainable. Doesn’t mean he can’t be a 30+ td every year for the next 15 seasons sprinkled in some 40 td season in that span. If he does that and wins 3 chips he might be considered the best ever who knows. It’s like Watson last year he he passed for 19 tds and ran for 2 in 6.5 games. That’s great production but it’s prob unsustainable. I think Mohames is good I think Watson is good I think them with Wentz are the brightest young stars in the game. I also know that mahomes is set up to succeed and has it easier than Watson and mahomes. He has the two things every young QB needs and that’s a great RB and a great TE, he just happens to have two really good WR also and a great offensive QB guru HC. He knows we’re he is going with the ball befofe he snaps it most of the time. Not knocking it cause theirs a lot of QBs who can’t even do that right but we’re not going to know how great he is till he’s asked to elevate the players around him rather than be slightly elevated because of the players he’s around. He’s a great young QB but ppl need to pump the breaks on him just like they needed to on Watson last season. It’s too early, guys like Rodgers Brady brees have been doing it for over a decade now. History says he’s more likely to throw 10 tds and 8 picks than to continue on this 50 tds rate. Do I think that will happen? No do I think he throws 50 tds? Prob not. He might not even get to 40 tds but that doesn’t mean he’s not a great young QB.
I agree there, but so does Brady, and Mahomes is outshining him right now. Honestly, we have a better running game than KC and a better WR in Hopkins, but definitely not a great TE or offensive QB guru. He definitely has the best overall system though, but that doesn't make a QB have good decisions or accuracy. The 26 touchdowns with only 7 interceptions is a combination of the skills that not a lot of rookie quarterbacks start out with, regardless of the players and coaching built around them. He is poised, just like Watson, and doesn't get rattled like a lot of new quarterbacks. They both have that quality, which is great.
At least you aren't the Bears and missed on both Watson and Mahomes. This is a 220 yard 2 touchdown no pick day.
Not sure about that. Kareem Hunt is a stud and on pace for over 1200 yards rushing. Tyreek Hill is also a major weapon for Mahomes he's one of the quickest guys in the NFL and always a threat. When I watch Mahomes play I see a ton of shovel passes and/or short passes where the receiver runs after the catch for TDs. I don't really count those as true TDs even though it shows up on the stat sheet.
I meant we are 5th in rushing and they are 12th. Funny you only see Mahomes throw a ton of shovel passes or short passes when they ave more yards per pass than us. I've seen him throw quite a few nice long passes. Regardless, his TD/INT ratio is still very impressive for a 1st year player.
To be fair I saw a stat last week. Mahomes average on yards per pass traveled is one of the lowest in the league. Last week 4 TD’s 1 was thrown behind LOS 1 was thrown 3 yards past line of scrimmage 1 was thrown 6 yards past line of scrimmage 1 was thrown in the end zone on a rope to Kelce. Watson is a better passer in regards to intermediate throwing in the pocket. Mahomes is better in short yardage. I expect both to get better at their weaker areas and dominate the NFL. Both read defenses well. Both have good pocket feel. Both are extremely athletic!
I would say the biggest difference so far would be that Watson has made more bad decisions, resulting in more interceptions per TD.
I would agree with you on that. But, When you are throwing a majority of your passes within 5 yards of the LOS then you have more room for error. Andy Reid’s scheme is friendly for those coming out of college.
I know; I think most everyone else knows as well: Mahomes is a product of an incredibly favorable situation, and plugging in any other moderately talented NFL QB would produce very favorable results. The Chiefs have a terrific offensive coaching staff and an embarrassment of offensive *weapons* (plus a good offensive line). Hopkins and Fuller are very good; neither scare teams the way Hill and Kelce do. Hill is nearly impossible to cover and Reid is smart enough to deploy him all over the field, creating confusion and match-up issues. Kelce, meanwhile, is a nightmare to try and cover. You can throw double-, triple-teams at him and he's bigger, stronger and faster than nearly any defender. Reid is also a *terrific* teacher; Bill O'Brien is not. Mahomes, here, would be a disaster as BOB tried to turn him into Tom Brady while the line collapsed around him. Meanwhile, Watson would be THRIVING in Kansas City. ****, Alex Smith *thrived* in Kansas City. This has almost *nothing* to do with Mahomes. This is all Reid and that roster. It's incredibly well-built and he's awesome (in the regular season).
Mahomes is the system. Alex smith didn't do this well. He just has a very good arm. There are a handful of people with his arm talent. Brady can't make the throws Mahomes makes. You could see the crazy throws he was making at Texas Tech. I am glad we have Watson, but no point in trying to tear down others to make yourself feel better.
No; Andy Reid is the system. Alex Smith threw 5 INTs last year & set career highs in TDs, Y/A and QB rating. He went to Washington and is on pace to throw 9 fewer TDs; 1.4 fewer Y/A, and his QB rating is down nearly 14 points. Mahomes is good; but he landed in a dream situation in which, I guarantee you, the vast majority of NFL QBs would be thriving. Andy Reid may very well be - hell, he *is* the best offensive mind in football. If you think Patrick Mahomes would be *this* good with Bill O'Brien... well, you've obviously spent a good chunk of time in Lubbock.
