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Trump / GOP's Stunning Hypocrisy on Preexisting Conditions

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Oct 29, 2018.

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  1. adoo

    adoo Member

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    Republicans are lying about their position on health care​


    Trump wants voters to believe that Republicans are the party protecting Americans with preexisting conditions.
    But in bills, lawsuits, and regulations, they’ve worked to do the very opposite.

    Trump’s own administration imposed new rules just last week that would make it easier for insurance providers to discriminate
    against people w .preexisting conditions.

    On the same day news broke about the change, Trump didn’t even blink as he told an audience
    he held the exact opposite view. “We will always protect Americans with preexisting conditions,”
    he said at an event in Philadelphia earlier this month. Republican candidates have followed Trump’s lead.
    • Missouri Senate candidate Josh Hawley is telling voters that he supports “forcing insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions.”
    • WI Governor Scot Walker blatantly lies about protecting the coverage
    • Rafael Cruz continuous to spin the lie that “Republicans will always protect people with pre-existing conditions,”
    • Az GOP Senate candidate McSorley voted in support of TrumpCare (to repeal ObamaCare), is now lying that she supports pre-existing condition; ditto for Tenn GOP Senate Candidate Marsha Blackburn
    ​
    We know Republicans do not support forcing insurance providers to cover patients with preexisting conditions because they spent most of 2017 trying to roll back that part of Obamacare

    We know Trump definitely does not want to uphold regulations on preexisting conditions because his administration has asked a federal court in Texas to throw those protections out.

    Republicans aren’t telling the truth about their position because their actual position, it turns out, isn’t very popular. Americans like the idea of making sure sick people have access to affordable health insurance.


    https://www.vox.com/2018/10/29/18026700/trump-obamacare-preexisting-conditions
     
    #1 adoo, Oct 29, 2018
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  2. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    One of the biggest issues facing Americans and it effects everyone - no one gets a pass on this one.
     
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  3. adoo

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    #3 adoo, Oct 29, 2018
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  4. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Low information Republican voters will have to decide which they like more, health insurance, Medicare, and Social Security or hating the browns, the blacks, and the Jews. Tough call.
     
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  5. Rocket River

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    Like Abortion I am beginning to think this is a feign
    Keep the Demos fighting and distracted while the attack elsewhere

    Rocket River
     
    #5 Rocket River, Oct 30, 2018
  6. BruceAndre

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    Silly Clutchfans. Healthcare insurance is for healthy people.
     
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  7. Nook

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    Nah.... when in doubt go with option "B".... hate the blacks, hispanics, homosexuals and Mooslims.
     
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  8. Anticope

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    So people with pre-existing conditions shouldn't be able to get affordable coverage?
     
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  9. mdrowe00

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    ...it's on record as having worked more often than not...

    ...we've got laws and wars on the books that say so, if you don't believe me...:):D;)
     
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    Disappointing we can't develop a decent discussion on one of the most important issues we will all face.
     
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  11. BruceAndre

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    I'll say this -- it is an interesting and under-reported paradigm shift that everyone should have perfect healthcare coverage, everywhere and all times. We did not used to have such utopian expectations.

    In the past, people recognized that "life is a b*tch and then you die."

    Now, many Americans expect everyone to be covered -- and someone else to pay for it.

    I view this as yet another utopian dream. Ultimately, it will suffer the same fate as other utopian dreams. But there will be a lot of sturm and drang in the meantime.
     
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    Except that it isn't just an unattainable dream. It exists in every other industrialized nation in the world. Do you think America isn't capable of achieving what all these other nations have achieved? Are you saying that it is real and attainable for every other nation in the world but only a Utopian dream for those that live in the U.S.?
     
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    I can't believe how many people actually vote against their own self interests. :confused:
     
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    Strawman. Nobody is claiming that universal healthcare is perfect; the facts simply show that you get better health outcomes for less money. We have decades and decades of data from dozens of nations supporting this fact. Better bang for the buck.

    To Americans it can seem like an impossible dream that you pay an affordable monthly rate and just go to the doctor of your choice when you want to and get taken care of whenever you get sick or injured at very low or zero additional cost. For citizens of almost every developed nation on earth, this seeming impossibility is, in fact, the norm.
     
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  15. adoo

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    you need to stop using words that you don't understand.
     
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  16. No Worries

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    The Republican Health Care Plan?

    The one where people without insurance show in county ERs? The one where the county property owners pay for the ER visit?
     
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    I work with an ultra-conservative person that has been against single payer healthcare for as long as I have known him. He hated Obama Care and everything attached to it. Then his son had an emergency and needed a kidney transplant. He was on dialysis for hours every day. Now he thinks that single payer is the way to go. It's amazing what a little perspective, especially financially, will do to peoples strongest held beliefs.

    So when I see comments like "life a bit*h then you die" That just tells me I am dealing with a person that lacks certain life experiences. Their tune will change when something happens. I have yet to see someone get a 200k+ bill and say. Man, this American way of health care really has my best interest at heart.
     
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    The perfect karma gut shot to insurance companies would be if they stick their guns too pre-existing conditions, then the reverse should also be true.

    IE, If I am covered in 2018 and I develop some condition, and then a new insurer won't cover me in 2019 because it is a PC, then the 2018 provider should be on the hook for everything developed in its covered period.
     
    #18 larsv8, Oct 31, 2018
  19. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Great post and I agree. One of the most conservative people I know IRL is a heart surgeon. I asked him once about Obamacare and was wincing to hear his answer. He didn't like it, naturally, and enumerated its weak points. I asked him what he thought would work, and he said: "Only one way to make it all work: take Medicare age all the way down to zero."
     
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  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    You must be in your 100's. How the dream of social welfare work out after the great depression....oh yeah we have social security, medicaid and national parks. You know unheard of
     
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