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Megyn Kelly forgot she isn't on Foxnews anymore

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. jcf

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    I get your point, but in fairness you could also list all of the accomplishments/good things that happened during the same period.

    Or you could pick different countries, and list the atrocities or the accomplishments, and your answer depending on the country would be a different race (gotta give you gender by and large).

    If your overall point is that white males have been running things during some pretty unsavory periods of our history, no doubt you are correct. I don't think shitty behavior is a "white male" thing (and I recognize that that isn't the point you were making.) It appears to be a "human" thing with some folks capable of terrible behavior, some folks capable of incredible kindness and most of us capable of good and bad depending on the situation.
     
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  2. jcf

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    the link requires you to subscribe to see the article. Do you mind posting? thanks.
     
  3. Harrisment

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    The article was too long to paste here, but I put it on paste bin:
     
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  4. JayGoogle

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    Yeah, a lot of sites do that nowadays, unfortunately.

    You can bypass it though if your internet browser has an incognito/privacy mode. Just right-click the link and open it in incognito mode.
     
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  5. CCorn

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    Megyn Kelly should just shut up and dribble
     
  6. Senator

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    Not sure why you're telling me to do something about it, I am in politics for a reason. If I can help just one misguided enabler like yourself it will be a job well done.

    Why are you so worried about cops searching your car? You aren't going to jail for not having a weapon or drug on you. Do you think this justifies violent crime? The cops pull over blacks more because 60% of fatal violent crime is committed by them. That is a fact. Shouldn't that be what you want to address?
     
  7. Senator

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    Violence in the first world stems from culture and narratives that you can effect, not genetics. Poor living conditions are just a catalyst.

    You tried your best to take the easy route out by putting words in the mouth of evil white man #1. And that's a huge part of the problem.

    Integration (not from my perspective, but those living in very poor areas) cant happen until the stats come down. Cultural leaders need to make that happen.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Agreed. You definitely could. That was part of the point. Senator was using statistics to not paint a real picture of the problems but to attack a race.
     
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  9. jcf

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    I assume that if you were constantly concerned about being pulled over and questioned simply because of your race, you would find zero comfort in the fact that you weren't carrying a weapon or drugs.

    I mean other than the Constitution, I guess it's ok to pull someone over becaues of their race just because of statistics. Oh, wait.
     
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  10. JayGoogle

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    Because, you constantly keep banging on about this subject even in threads, like this one, that have NOTHING to do with it.

    Because the cops should not search my car without reasonable cause, the reasonable cause should not be "Because he's black."

    We've also had stories of cops PLANTING drugs on innocent suspects...so that is why I would be worried about it. Sure, it's a rare thing, (like being killed by a black person...) I'm not saying police go around looking for black people so that they can plant drugs in their vehicles and arrest them...but again, you should always need reasonable cause to be searched.

    How does this justify pulling me over?

    Again, you're talking about 1% of blacks and using that small number to stereotype the vast majority of black people. This is why people are calling you racist.
     
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    remember when Lavar?Sp? went as zombie JJ Watt. It was to be bloody JJ Watt but it looked more like a zombie. Time flies.

    Then there is this,
     
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    You're making up the narrative that isn't true. No one is calling white men evil. You are making a straw man and getting defensive.

    The cultural elements have been around for hundreds of years. You say poverty isn't the issue - that it's culture and the blame is on the leaders. What exactly do you propose the solution is?
     
  13. Harrisment

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    Wait are you actually a senator? That would not be at all shocking to be honest.
     
  14. BruceAndre

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    Yep, not only this, but I hear she was pretty well hated by her co-workers. I think the "blackface" thing is just an excuse to let her go.
     
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    ...I thought this might be the best place to leave this article I read about this, because I think there's a deeper point being missed that a lot of people don't often get, when we talk about having a conversation or a teachable moment about things like this....

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Megyn Kelly, Blackface and NBC’s "Hate Crime-Adjacent" Problem

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Megyn Kelly, Blackface and NBC’s "Hate Crime-Adjacent" Problem
    6:30 AM PDT 10/26/2018 by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

    Megyn Kelly with an audience of 2.4 million on NBC, the ending of that sentence will live on long after Uncle Know-it-all is snoring on the sofa in a pumpkin pie-induced coma. What she says matters because it enters the social unconscious as a splinter that festers into an infection in our cultural values. Kelly’s doe-eyed defense of wearing blackface for Halloween as not being racist is classic: “What is racist? When I was a kid, that was OK, as long as you were dressing up as, like, a character.”

    For a popular public figure with a law degree, she really is way too comfortable ignoring simple logic. Her statement is the common logical fallacy of “appeal to tradition” that suggests that because something happened in the past, it’s good, true or beneficial. Like bleeding people when they’re sick, or women not voting or slavery. Nostalgia is not an excuse for promoting bad behavior. If it were, we wouldn’t have made marital rape illegal— which we didn’t start to do in the U.S. until the mid-1970s (with it being illegal in the entire country by 1993). Why? Because legal and biblical “tradition” held that it was a wife’s obligation to have sex, and therefore she couldn’t withhold it. Even Tevya, despite his rousing rendition of “Tradition” in Fiddler on the Roof, had to adapt to the way the world was evolving.

    “What is racist?” Kelly asked. That’s a fair question, because the answer can sometimes seem complicated. Some people like to declare they are color blind with statements like, “I don’t see color. I don’t care if you’re black, white or purple.” That’s a lie no matter who says it. We all see color and we all make snap, often inappropriate judgments, even if we don’t want to. This isn’t racism, but racial awareness. The Broadway musical Avenue Q says it well in “Everyone’s a Little Bit Racist”:

    Everyone's a little bit
    Racist, sometimes.
    Doesn't mean we go around committing
    Hate crimes.
    Look around and
    You will find,
    No one's really
    Color-blind.
    Maybe it's a fact
    We all should face.
    Everyone makes
    Judgments...
    Based on race.


    It’s part of our innate fight-or-flight response to identify what’s safe and what’s a potential threat. That’s why some black people have one way they act around white people, a more homogenized version of themselves, and another when they’re around other black people.

    It’s less important that we all have that initial reaction than what we do about it. I look at it the same way I look at heroism. A hero feels fear, but overcomes that fear to act nobly. We may feel that twinge of bias, but then we overcome it to act compassionately. Acting out of moral conviction rather than childish fear is the basis for civilization.

    The complication is that there are two major categories of racist: ignorant and deliberate. The ignorant racist may behave in bigoted ways because they don’t realize that what they are doing or saying is genuinely offensive. They could be a warm and wonderful human being but completely clueless of how they are negatively affecting others. Often, when they learn that they were inadvertently behaving badly or held inaccurate beliefs, they will feel shame and change their behavior. The deliberate racist is proudly ignorant and wishes harm to their target.

    In Megyn Kelly’s case, it would be difficult to sustain an argument that she was ignorant of the blackface controversy. We’ve had many examples of it in the past few years (Ted Danson, Luann de Lesseps, Kylie Jenner, Julianne Hough, etc.) with all the usual pundits, myself included, explaining publicly why this is a hurtful and insensitive display. She’s an educated person with a news background, so there’s no way she is not informed on the issue. Which means she deliberately, without regard to the harm she would inflict on people of color, chose to pull out this old controversy. Not quite a hate crime, but hate crime-adjacent.

    Should she be fired? In the best of all possible worlds, yes. Either she deliberately was racist in order to juice her flagging ratings, or she was too dumb to know it was racist, which is inexcusable for a newsperson. Either reason is grounds for dismissal. However, this is not the best of all possible worlds, and NBC might have sent her a mixed message when hiring her. Kelly made consistently racist statements while at Fox News, so when NBC hired her in 2017, its executives were saying: We’re rewarding your racism on Fox by paying you $69 million over three years. Then when she does the same thing that got her that mega-payday, NBC suddenly expresses socially conscious outrage. Not quite racist, but racist-adjacent. Firing Kelly does not wash away everyone’s past sins, but it’s still a cleansing moment.
     
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    Senator and his son bobby?
     
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    Question for everyone. Do people think blackface is bad if the intent isn’t racist?. Like someone dressing up as Mr. T?.

    Also isn’t there a huge double standard since many black people use white face all the time for Halloween

    Not to even mention shows like white chicks [very funny]

    Idk I’m just on the train if your intent isn’t racism turn no biggie but there is this double standard where you could mimic white people stertyoes but you can’t with black people sterotyoes
     
  18. pgabriel

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    She is mot on this morning
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Whiteface is in no way bad nor is it a double standard. There is no history of whiteface being used to stereotype, degrade and generalize people. There was never bad intent with white people. That being said I have almost never seen black people donning whiteface for Halloween.

    So again, there is no double standard.
     
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    ...Black people dress up like Elvis all the time and don't reach for any Noxema:D:D;)...
     
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