Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

You know... at a certain point, it isn't just the people who are pushing these stupid narratives that deserve blame. No matter nice and wonderful some of the folks are that buy into the divisive BS, they are also to blame. I have been slow to attack or hold them accountable in my own mind. I don't understand how or why people would buy into that crap, but they do, and they are responsible for it.

 

No definitely, I agree. Niceness isn't getting those of us who love this country more than Russia or 45 anywhere. Niceness sure didn't get Obama anywhere.

If people promulgate nonsense about the FBI being a bigger threat to this democracy than Russian cyberattacks and their allies, then effectively they're no better than traitors. Sure, in a different venue, like sports or volunteer work, they might be otherwise great Americans. But it's probably well past the time to draw some clear lines and just speak plainly. **** it.

 

Fire with fire, **** em!

DD

 

I listened to more of this than I expected. I haven't bothered to research if anything he is saying is remotely close to reality. In the middle I was thinking ...well this is a ridiculously elaborate scheme to setup a random nobody. Then I was remembering what happened the Saudi journalist and wondering how often crazy covert ops happen.

That also popped into my mind because I was doing my human behavioral biology course and it was a lecture on aggression and how easily we can be manipulated into aggressive acts of us versus them. One of the examples the professor mentioned was testimony during the first Iraq War from a Kuwaiti that portrayed the Iraqis as butchers of babies and was believed to be true at first and actually swayed some of the Senate voting, but was ultimately completely fabricated and setup by an American PR firm working for the Kuwaiti govt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Anyhow....I don't want to go all conspiracy theory, but stuff happens sometimes that makes you wonder what else is going on in the background.

 

Two things can be true at the same time though. An Australian diplomat with an intelligence background could certainly have been working Papadapolous for multiple reasons and Papadapolous is vastly overstating how important he was in this vast global conspiracy to get him that involves virtually everyone and anyone with power in the West, and Europe.

Throw all the conspiracy theories to the side for a second and ask yourself one question important above everything.... Why would both the FBI and our close allies NOT investigate the Trump campaign at any point prior to the 2016 election?

Even knowing just what we know publicly prior to the 2016 Russian hack, is there any reason to at least not check out foreign ties that could be a threat to US interests? Your insane if you think there was no reason to at least do some intelligence gathering and probe some of his more obvious connections such as Manafort and Page... if only to warn Trump prior to taking power about who on his team might be compromised.

And let’s be honest here for a second... do you really think for two seconds that George W Bush’s FBI didn’t do intelligence gathering and probing of Barack Obama?? Do we believe that if a campaign staffer for Obama met and Australian intelligence officer at a bar in London in 2007, that Australian wouldn’t be tactical in his conversations with that staffer?

 

this wasn't investigating, it was entrapment/sting operations (and leaks to media about the same), used as pretense for warrants and further investigating/spying on the campaign

GP is saying he was offered/tempted with info (or promises/rumors of info) from foreign intelligence services (Aussies and Brits)

 

Commodore spinning in overdrive...

 

B/c he has proven himself an honest broker of the truth, or because he and Fox are saying what you desperately want to hear?

 

I can’t wait when Mueller releases his report, without a smoking gun.... and the same people calling Mueller and the FBI as corrupt will suddenly embrace him as wonderful.

I understand politics, but we are no longer calling candidates as corrupt or self interested... we are calling institutions like the FBI and the SC and the office of the President we compromised institutionally and that is really bad for America. You cannot put that genie back in the bottle. From Trump’s comments, to the nomination of Kavanaugh to US senators calling other parts of the government as compromised... it is bad.

 

The fact that the FBI was politically compromised during the end of the Obama administration due to corrupt people at the top absolutely is bad, and that's why they need to clean house.

 

Echo chamber alert! B-Bob can now only converse with far left wing posters like FranchiseBlade...

When the FBI becomes a political weapon of the failing left, then that is in fact a big problem.

 

Which has never happened, only dumb ignorant and stupid people believe that.

DD

 

The thing that smart folks need to realize is that Trump is just one easy last move away from completing this version of a slow burn Saturday night massacre that Nixon didn’t get away with that Trump probably will. Because Americans seem to be like Frogs in water. Just slowing adjust the water to eventually get it to boil and the frog will just sit there.

Assuming Trump is able to get this new AG in, he will be able to shield or heavily sanitize the Mueller report from ever getting out. The acting AG just has to order it, and it happens and at that point we are just replying on either leaks or a Democratic Congress to win a Supreme Court decision over a subpoena battle.

The bigger questions or liabilities for Trump revolve around the Trump org and what legal authorities the SDNY have that the DOJ cannot prevent from coming out public in court filings or even prevent what they prosecute. That is why I believe Mueller knew this was coming and has only narrowly kept himself inside the Russian interference lane. He knows like we do that his probe was always easy to shut down and the best way to actually get the truth out there is to farm it out as much as he can and get the evidence in as many court systems as possible.

Yes.... I believe the report from Mueller is likely to be interesting as hell from the folks who know and care, but will not be enough hard evidence from the “shoot someone on 5th Avenue crowd” to turn their allegiance... which makes it just another day in the Trump presidency sh$t show.

But the outcome of what’s going to come out over time with everything farmed out will significantly damage Trump and present some pretty stark evidence that will finally prove to Americans years later that they got conned and this snake oil salesman should never have been a candidate for president. They just don’t admit it for years, and act like they weren’t worshipping him as the messiah a few years prior.

 

Agreed, not much investigating needed, as we already knew these people were criminals. Just needed the evidence.

 

what crimes did they know Page/GP already committed?

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1054444120364802048.html

 

What???... Page was already caught up in a Russian spy case in NY years before he ever signed on to work with Trump. He even called himself an “Advisor to the Kremlin”.

Yes he probably never killed anyone or robbed any banks, but under no circumstance should our intelligent community NOT be investigating characters like Page.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/atto...harges-against-russian-spy-ring-new-york-city

 

Page was already being watched before the campaign even happened.

What world do you live you in?

 

BigIdiot posts again. Get along little follower.

DD