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[NYT] Trump Empire Built on Gifts & Tax Fraud

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Oct 2, 2018.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Any part where you claimed there was no fraud.
     
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    There are 3 types of MAGA's. The rich, the racist/homophobes and the stupid. This dude is clearly the latter.
     
  3. pgabriel

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    I wrote why it isnt fraud. What about my reasoning do you dispute?
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    The fact that you deny the fraudulent acts and tax returns are indeed a fraud.
     
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    How are they fraudulent? The assets are real. You cant just make up values for them.

    You think the irs didn't do it's due diligence on fred trump's asset values?
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    That is correct. Nobody including those who work for the IRS believes they handled the Trump's tax returns properly. Fred, Donald and the other Trump's got away with fraud. It is tax fraud to knowingly lie about the value of real estate properties.
     
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    If they didn't handle it correctly its on the IRS.

    Everyone tries to decrease their tax liability. The Trumps didn't hide anything. They valued their property as low as they could. Its up to the IRS to challenge it. Its not just the IRS, it was the New York state tax authority.

    There is nothing illegal or fraudulent about trying to pay as low as you can.


    Obviously the values were backed up with documentation.
     
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    LOL!!!!! Are you serious? It's not the IRS fault that the Trumps committed Fraud. That isn't on the IRS. What a strange thing to say.

    When you use fraud to decrease your tax liability which the Trumps did, it is fraud and it is a crime, whether the IRS caught the crime or not doesn't change the fact that it was a crime.

    Obviously, the values were backed up with documentation? LOL!! You are on a roll. Go back and read the article again.
     
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    Its not fraud to submit low valuations. The values are backed up by documentation. They didn't just make up numbers. The Times story doesn't challenge the documentation backing up the values therefore its just innuendo
     
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    It is against the law and fraud to lie about the value in order to cheat the Federal Government out money owed to it. The story clearly backs up that the values were lies, and puts any documentation involved as further evidence of fraud.
     
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    The values are backed up with REAL documentation. The story has to challenge that and say those documents are FAKE to claim fraud

    Fred was a bit of a celebrity also. If you think the irs didn't closely look at his returns you're a fool.
     
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    @FranchiseBlade

    The article's contention is the assets sold for more than their tax values.

    Thats actually very normal in real estate including single home values
     
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    I know the IRS didn't closely look at his returns. He committed Fraud. Donald was a party to that fraud.
     
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    Tax fraud which was committed isn't normal.
     
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    Fraud implies a criminal act. It implies submitting false documentation. WHERE ARE THE FALSE DOCUMENTS IN THIS STORY
     
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    How do you know this. You were at the IRS 40 years ago?

    Do you honestly think the irs doesn't look at a top 1% wealthiest person's returns closely

    Do you know how stupid that sounds?
     
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    I know that an overworked underfunded IRS cannot and does not look at every return completely thoroughly. That is true even when of returns that are being audited.

    There is probably only one person who thinks the Trumps didn't commit fraud and that is you. The Trumps know they did it. Every other Republican knows they did it. Donald Trump knows they did it which is why he will not sue. The NYT knows the Trumps committed fraud. The Lawyers at the Times know the Trumps committed fraud or they would have made the writer change the story to avoid a lawsuit.
     
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    So he works on the returns of top wealthiest 1% of the country?

    He worked on Trump's returns?

    You think Trump's or his father's returns just go across any agent's desk?
     
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    Donald Trump’s niece, his deceased brother’s daughter, is set to publish a tell-all book this summer that will detail “harrowing and salacious” stories about the president, according to people with knowledge of the project.

    Mary Trump, 55, the daughter of Fred Trump Jr. and eldest grandchild of Fred Trump Sr., is scheduled to release Too Much And Never Enough on Aug. 11, just weeks before the Republican National Convention.

    One of the most explosive revelations Mary will detail in the book, according to people familiar with the matter, is how she played a critical role helping The New York Times print startling revelations about Trump’s taxes, including how he was involved in “fraudulent” tax schemes and had received more than $400 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire.

    As she is set to outline in her book, Mary was a primary source for the paper's Pulitzer Prize-winning investigation, supplying Fred Trump Sr.’s tax returns and other highly confidential family financial documentation to the paper.

    Details of the book are being closely guarded by its publisher, Simon & Schuster, but The Daily Beast has learned that Mary plans to include conversations with Trump’s sister, retired federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, that contain intimate and damning thoughts about her brother, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

    Mary Trump has kept out of the public eye and has not spoken publicly in decades—but in 2000, amidst a bitter family court battle over Fred Trump Sr.’s will, she told the New York Daily News, "Given this family, it would be utterly naive to say it has nothing to do with money. But for both me and my brother, it has much more to do with that our father [Fred Jr.] be recognized," she said.

    ...

    After Fred Jr.’s children brought their messy court case against the family—contesting their grandfather’s will and alleging it was “procured by fraud and undue influence” on the part of Donald and his siblings—they highlighted Donald’s callous treatment of family members as he, along with siblings Maryanne and Robert, cut off the medical benefits to his nephew’s sick child William, who was born with cerebral palsy. The move, the family said at the time, was payback for Mary and Fred the 3rd’s challenge to the will.

    That court case produced a treasure trove of confidential and highly sensitive Trump family financial documents, including Fred Trump Sr.’s tax returns, which almost two decades later would fall into the hands of The New York Times and form the basis for one of the most stunning pieces of journalism in recent years.

    In June of 2019, The Daily Beast reported how The New York Times Trump tax team imploded when four-time Pulitzer Prize-winner David Barstow went rogue, aggressively pursuing a source of their groundbreaking investigation to ghostwrite their book and secure a six-figure payday—a move explicitly forbidden by the Times’ ethics rules.

    That story detailed how Barstow went behind his colleagues’ backs and pursued the source—who was not his source to begin with—even after his editors told him not to do the book.

    Barstow even went so far as to make a surprise visit to the source’s residence after they ceased communications with him, staying at least three hours, and ringing the front and back doorbells multiple times as the person hid in their home.

    “The source was freaked out. The source felt invaded. They ended up hiding until he left the residence,” a person with knowledge of the situation told The Daily Beast at the time, adding that the source considered calling the police.

    While Times Executive Editor Dean Baquet backed Barstow over his questionable ethical decisions and Barstow claimed he acted appropriately, he soon left the paper to take up a position leading the University of California Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism’s investigative reporting program.

    At the time of publication, The Daily Beast did not name the source and took extensive measures to protect their identity. In the upcoming book, however, Mary Trump will out herself as a source for the Times and detail her involvement working with journalists Russ Buettner, Susanne Craig, and Barstow to crack the story, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

    The book is sure to send shock waves through Washington and the Trump family just months before the election and it comes hot on the heels of John Bolton’s much-anticipated memoir. But unlike all the books by former Trump staffers, this is the first time a Trump family member has written a tell-all that is highly critical of The President.

    The bad blood between President Trump and his niece dates back 20 years to the fight over Fred Trump Sr.’s will and the actions he took to cut off financial and medical support for her brother’s ill child. Now that feud is about to spill out into the public eye during a critical election year, with the president struggling to shore up his plummeting popularity.

    “My aunt and uncles should be ashamed of themselves,” Mary Trump said about Donald Trump and his siblings in that rare 2000 interview, which provides a preview of the tone of her book. “I'm sure they are not.”
     
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    I don't know if this is an accurate perception but it seems like Trump's deceased brother wasn't anywhere near the narcissistic sociopath that Trump is. For one he wasn't obsssesed with the family business and discovered his own passions. He had actual intellectual curiosity and hobbies outside of grifting and golfing unlike Donald. Dude wanted to be an airline pilot when he could have just ran his father's half a billion dollar empire.
     
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