Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Are Kavanaugh supporters missing the point on purpose or do they really not know?

The issue isn't that he drank to excess in high school or college. The issue isn't that he threw up from drinking, or passed out. The issue isn't that he talked about Devil's Triangle and Bufu.

The issue is that the guy lied about it. They were some of his many lies during his testimony.

 

Didn't say conspiracy man. I don't see how someone couldn't have an issue with allegations from someone like Dr Ford...who thinks other people should be held to a higher standard when them, themselves...well, she isn't really a person of high character herself.

Self admittedly getting drunk with high school juniors and seniors while being a year removed from Junior High School doesn't really seem like someone who always tries to do the right thing...I mean we are using high school character as character credibility in this whole fiasco, are we not?

Nothing she's said thus far has any corroboration and she knows that it is impossible to do so...it's all on comments that she says she recalls from almost 40 years ago...and the fact that she lawyered up and got polygraphed (the whole 2 questions that weren't baselined) tells me she was ready to go to battle before all this started up.

That doesn't sound like an innocent victim to me. But again, who knows...there's no proof either way. I guess unless you think BKs lying about drinking and sexual vocabulary used in his yearbook merit him not being a judge. Maybe, I can see that.

Serious question...if BK was a liberal you think any of this happens?

Nah, we all know it doesn't. That's what makes this "acceptable conduct and temperament" kind of funny to me when he's responding to completely made up crap (just my opinion) that's painting him as a rapist and raging alcoholic. I'm sure anyone else would respond like a robot and not be flustered in the least bit. Me...if I was accused of that in front of my wife and kids and millions of people on TV...I can't imagine how I'd react.

 

LOL, yeah i saw this...very cloak and dagger like. Who knows what that means...maybe it's just a grocery list?

 

No we aren't unless that behavior included sexually assaulting somebody.

Except there is corroboration that she spoke of the assault and issues prior to Kavanaugh's nomination which would show that it wasn't part of a movement just to stop a conservative from being placed on the court. I believe that Democrats and Ford all know that even if Kavanaugh wasn't approved to be part of the SCOTUS, another conservative would. But it shouldn't be Kavanaugh. His lying about that as well as about his work with Judge Prior, Judge Pickering, knowledge of the Bush warrantless wiretaps, and other lies under oath should prevent him from sitting on the bench as a Supreme Court justice. It shows that he doesn't have a problem lying under oath. His idea that somehow this was all a plot of revenge from Hillary Fans shows that he isn't impartial and basing things on evidence. That also gives concern as to whether or not he has the right stuff to be on the Supreme Court.

Sure, Al Franken was a liberal and the party pressured him to resign and he did. John Conyers also had to retire. I believe Harvey Weinstein was a supporter of Hillary Clinton. They all got busted, and the Democrats didn't try and defend them.

 

Nah, I agree, if this was a real investigation there should be much more in-depth questioning and, of course, time spent. Maybe if this wasn't so obviously politically fueled it would receive the full attention it deserves. There was 36 years of time that this could've had up to this point. Bringing it out now when the man is about to be appointed to the SC..I dunno, it seems to rob the accusation of some legitimacy.

 

can't be bothered to post the Billy Madison "No points" meme/vid, but that's this.

 

That sounds like we are man.

She spoke of 'an assault' and later changed it. The fact that this righteous woman has lied and changed her story numerous times thus far has no bearing on your opinion about her credibility? It does me man. The other lies you're talking about are fair. There is definitely some shadiness there. But would this have stopped his appointment? Nah, It's all resting on the sexual assault allegation to push him out.

Yeah, but these guys all had hard evidence and multiple confirm-able witnesses did they not?

 

What did you expect? This was a non criminal investigation and I had heard this FBI investigation had less power than the Senate one. A criminal investigation wasn’t going to be launched and she never filed charges against him.

Sadly, after everything she is a person with a very, very flimsy story to put it as kindly as possible to Dr. Ford.

 

LOL, I expect that from you Sam, good form.

 

In that case you would be calling to "Lock Him Up"

 

Nah.

edit: it's funny that you say that. I've been democratic my whole life. My parents are/were democrat, my wife and her parents are...I've voted democrat in every election...hell even in local elections that i never even knew the candidates...just straight democrat. Getting older...going into Oil and gas...I don't know, it just seems like somethings are different lately with the party.

 

I can understand why you think that. But I see nothing strange about it myself. What I have learn from the past few weeks is victim of sexual abuse hide and hide often for all kind of reasons. Some that are pretty common are blaming self, shame, don't believe other would believe them. So many believe that what they do, what they wear, how they act is why someone abuse them, not seeing that without the abuser, there simply wouldn't be the abuse. These people stay in hiding and it's not easy to tell their story, if at all, to family or friends, never-mind going public. So I fully understand why someone wouldn't want to come forward all these years until something is worthwhile to do so (a SCJ seat is a pretty unique and amazing position of power). And keep in mind that she still didn't want to be known and she probably wouldn't at all if not for someone leaking her identity. I personally believe her and I hope that people take a bit more time to understand what sexual abuse victims go through. There are bound to be girls and women (not that there aren't male victims) in all of our lives - at least understand it for them.

Episode on 1A on sexual assault survivors (part of what prompt this is the MAJORITY of the producers at 1A are victims themselves):
https://the1a.org/shows/2018-10-02/traumatic-times-after-the-kavanaugh-hearing

 

LMFAO The FBI did not question Kavanaugh or Ford.....

It doesn't really shock me though.

They need to just vote and either let him on the court and deal with the political fall out or nominate someone else.

 

She spoke of it and there were different witnesses to that at different times. I have heard that some details changed regarding the therapist discussion but I hadn't heard about that with any of the other witnesses. I don't really know. None of that means she was actually lying. Either way, none of that was under oath. And if it was under oath I would support not putting Ford on the bench of the Supreme Court. Since she isn't up for that position then it wouldn't matter on that issue. It would potentially hurt her claim of the sexual assault. But since it wasn't part of the hearing it doesn't even do that.

 

That's a good point. Still, if BK was a sexual predator...why hasn't anyone else come forth (credibly) to confirm his behavior? Did he just decide to stop putting his hand over girls' mouths and touching them over their clothes? This would be the time, while all this hangs in the balance and the iron is hot. Any woman coming out now would be protected as Dr. Ford has been. But nobody. It's like that crazy Senator Graham said, 'you're not a rapist then decide to stop all the sudden'(of course how would he know...right? lol). If anything many of his friends and colleagues have said he's a good guy for the most part (most part meaning, non-felon).

 

The politics involved in this by both side are hilarious.

Mitch McConnell citing the ABA and not discussing the letter from the ABA President.

Feinstein acting like she is outraged when she knew the investigation was a sham to begin with..... which is why the attorney for Ford wouldn't turn over the documents until after her FBI interview, because it was never going to happen.

Chuck Schumer angry that the investigation was so short.

Lindsay Graham playing the angry irate southern white man part again..... "Outraged!"

Both sides are just lying about the evidence........ no wonder Kavanaugh got away repeatedly lying, he fits in with the rest of Washington.

What strikes me is how BAD they all are at lying.... and many of them went to the best schools in the nation.

 

perhaps Althouse says it best

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/10/trust-fbi-fbi-is-expert-authority-bring.html

 

There have been at least two credible accounts against him, and in the same proximate time frames. Most likely he drank too much and was young and crossed the line...... not every person that assaults someone does it for the rest of their lives... especially when alcohol is involved.

At the end, it doesn't matter...... he gets on the court but has to live with a majority of women believing that he is a predator....... the democrats get to get mileage out of it and the Republicans get to claim they are under attack and rile their base up....... and we all just watch it all.