I want to believe that...but they seem really intent on not sending him to us since we're in the west. I get them not wanting to make another super team to contend with for the next 3-4 years but, I guess they'd rather just watch golden state win every year.
That's assuming the Rockets would offer Jimmy his full max and I don't see that. I think Butler is willing to play anywhere that isn't Minnesota this season. I think there are plenty of teams that will be cautious of giving a seemingly injury prone player what that many miles a $180 mil contract. Jimmy has only played a full season ONCE in his career. If I'm Morey this guy is a rental.
@KellyUnchained and others just verified what I told you when this started. We aren't trading PJ Tucker. He NEVER was on the table for Butler. And he won't be on the table in any trades this season. Period.
People call EG and Paul injury prone and he signed them no problemo. If we get Butler and win a title, the Rockets will give him the 5 year deal. I feel confident about that. Tucker may not be around though as we would look to shed salary elsewhere. Capela Paul Harden Butler core for 3-5 years.
BOOM. Looking threw this thread with all of the detritus, finding posts by @cyberx @ch44 and @Codman is like finding gold in a mine. It takes patience, but that patience is paid off. Thanks for posting that update Cyber! Guys, these reports from WOJ last night SCREAM "Wolves looking to start a bidding war." Notice it talks about how the Wolves are looking for Richardson AND Bam. And want to unload Dieng. I mean, there is no way the Heat are going to offer that godfather offer. Those are the WOLVES WANTS.....not what the Heat are offering. In fact the Heat are probably not offering EITHER Richardson or Bam. Woj does not post about what the Heat are offering. Or what the Rockets are offering. Woj then posts that if the Wolves don't get what they want, they can keep Butler to start the season. This comment is to make it seam like the Wolves do not have a "time table" and can wait....thus not producing urgency to put them at a disadvantage. They are at a disadvantage. The Heat and the Rockets are not going to be fooled by these "media reports" to drum up a bidding war. You can bet behind the scenes Morey has his EG+Nene+1st offer and is aggressively going from team to team to find a third team to bring into this. That changes all of the equations. Will he do it? Who knows. But it clearly looks like PJ is off the table. Wolves can play their media game but at the end of the day are going to have to accept a 50 cents on the dollar package.
this is just scared talk. Fans who are scared Tilman won’t outbid other teams with his Bird Rights are just worried. If you believe Morey (like most) will only do this deal with Tilman first confirming he’ll outbid using his Bird Rights, and you still think Morey will get outbid, then all that means is you don’t currently believe Morey knows Butler’s asking price. It’s not hard to see that we must be prepared to offer Max like Love, PG13 and Griffin got. If the trade goes down, that means Tilman has already green lit Morey to use his Bird Rights to not get outbid. Fans need not be scared of that. It’s an Internet argument, yes, but not how Morey and Tilman will operate.
Butler is not as good a player as Paul and Gordon doesn't make $30 mil a year. That's not hard to comprehend. I like Butler but I've seen too many ex bulls turn into bad contracts. I hope that's why Morey isn't including Tucker in this trade. If The Rockets really wanted to give Butler a 5 year deal they'd put more on the table for him so I'm fine where we are right now
That’s not what he said. He said PJ wasn’t in the initial offer. You’re warped brain is adding the last two sentences.
If the Rockets win the title, he gets the deal. Morey can be creative and trade out star players for younger and cheaper assets. Morey would not let Butler walk in that scenario.
100% this. If one does not think Morey/Tilman do not have all of the financial machinations worked out...not just Butler but YEARS down the road...you are fooling yourself. The team time horizon and the financials have been calculated. Now it is more about Morey pulling levers.
Meanwhile, what about your main point that Butler isn’t even our target; he’s a smokescreen for Winslow? Kelly seems to have categorically stated Butler is the target.
I agree. I'd gladly give a thank you max for us winning the title unlike Cuban. I'm just being realistic when it comes to that scenario. I don't think Morey is approaching this trade (in terms of the assets he's willing to give up) in the hopes of keeping Butler for more than this season. If he were PJ would be on the table and so would Zhou Qi
I don't get that. if both teams were fighting for the last playoff slot, that would make sense. But Houston with or without Butler is a top four team and Minnesota without Butler is at best a seven/eight team.
Thibs doing all he can to push this to Dec. 15 when the Celtics, us, and possibly the Lakers could get more involved. He needs that window. Whether he can convince Taylor to live with the chaos until then remains to be seen. Miami wants to give up only one of JRich/Winslow and would actually prefer to give up JRich over Winslow. If Butler agrees to report it'll be interesting to see if they cave. They're up a creek if they do. Because they'll be deeper in the luxury tax and facing the repeater luxury tax after re-signing Butler. With several negative value contracts on the books. Even swapping Whiteside for Dieng doesn't help them with that problem and actually makes it worse for them. Meanwhile we're dangling Gordon, picks, and possible cap/tax relief to Miami, Minny, and others. There is a possible solution. It involves us taking on salary, and losing Gordon. Doubt it happens UNLESS Taylor brings the charade to an end and decides to get this behind him before the season starts.
We all knew that genius. It doesn't take an "insider" to tell us that PJ was never going to be part of any deals.
He hasn't been in any offer and isn't going to be in any offer. If your warped brain can't accept that then I don't know why you're following the alleged insiders. They've pretty much made that clear by now. And really...you should be able to see that either anybody telling you anyways....unless your blind, deaf, and dumb.
