It is definitely a win for the "innocent until proven guilty" mantra. The left has tried to destroy this man and has labeled him guilty without any proof. He is one of the most qualified people in the country for this position and has done nothing to warrant him not being confirmed other than the "crime" of being a Constitutional Conservative.. Originally I actually would have preferred Amy Coney Barrett but all of the BS the left has pulled has endeared me to Kavanaugh. They have to confirm now our the left will use these tactics to destroy anyone. I will add my mind can be changed very quickly with literally any credible evidence but so far none has been produced. If the left could dig up any real dirt instead of this manufactured BS, Kavanaugh would be finished.
Yep, the Democrats always do this. Just look at Gorsuch... Edit: All I'm saying is there are cleaner conservative judges out there, even if there is a 5% chance that he has done something wrong in his past you have to go with the cleaner one, because I do not doubt that in this climate that when the democrats get power back and if he's on the court, they will drum this up again, especially if Ginsburg is replaced by another extreme right-wing justice.
LOL, I do say so, but I know you are going to hold on to hope no matter what. You've been holding on to hope that Trump would get impeached for 2 years now, I imagine you'll hold on to hope that Kavanaugh will be impeached for at least 20 years or so.
Kavanaugh has led a perfectly clean life, the only thing against him are baseless allegations, and you can make them about literally anyone.....and those kinds of baseless allegations would have come against anyone Trump nominated for this seat on the bench because of what it represents. You bring up Gorsuch, but that was just replacing the most conservative justice on the bench with a less conservative justice.....not the same thing, and I'm sure you know it but you are just repeating the talking points you were given.
Baseless? Does sworn testimony to the committee under threat of perjury not constitute basis? Does lying under oath not confirm it? The whole reason we are here is because, of the 25 recommendations from the Federalist Society, Kavanagh was the most likely to rule for the President on the issue of exposure to criminal charges.
No, it does not. It would constitute a "They said/she said" situation where you have one person testifying that something happened and everyone else suggesting that it didn't. When you have testimony with no corroboration and no evidence to support it, that testimony might as well be a fairly tale because it holds next to no weight. I know when people are trying to conduct a witch hunt the notion of evidence or corroboration might be a foreign concept, but trust me, those things are REALLY important.
I have? You sure do like imagining things I've said. Yeah bro, people said the same thing about Cosby and about any politician before they got caught.
There was actual evidence and credible (corroborated) testimony against Cosby. When it comes to Kavanaugh, there's nothing but wishful thinking by Democrats. I know you want to believe that Kavanaugh is a sexual predator, but there's just no evidence of it, the guy led a clean life and a smear campaign full of false allegations isn't enough to change that. I think you've said before that you have a son.....can you imagine how you'd feel if this kind of thing were happening to him? If half the country wanted to lynch him for a crime he didn't commit that there was no evidence of him committing? How would you take those comments suggesting that proof or evidence doesn't matter then? Would you be fine with your son being branded as a rapist with literally nothing credible to support that claim?
I don't hope for Kavanaugh to be a sexual predator, I'm only reacting to what I've heard. You say I hope for Trump to be impeached, I rarely post in those threads, I'm waiting for Mueller's investigation to finish. I've said before, I'm not so sure Trump being impeached helps Democrats. I think any other candidate beats Trump in 2016, remember, I was no Clinton supporter. The thing with these accusations is that unless they are reported soon after the event, there is very little hard evidence behind them. It's all he said she said, personally, I think women don't have much to gain making up rape accusations. Especially against high profile men. This doesn't mean "Trust women no matter what!" but it does mean, to me, that you should hear them out and look into the story. Ask around and see if there is anything to it. It's too bad that the investigation is now muddied by partisan politics, we can argue about whether Feinstein held it back or not, both stories around that are believable, and she certainly had every political motivation to hold it back. After the testimony I came to this conclusion personally. Something happened to Ford and I don't believe Kavanaugh at all. Did he sexually assault her? I think it's possible. With Kavanaugh, I'm not so sure I believe him, he's been caught in some lies. I think for the benefit of the country it's good to look into the story, even if it came up at a politically convenient time for democrats. What upsets me the most about this is the state of our politics. This is the state of it. The GOP are trying to rush and ram through a candidate even while they have a 70% chance or so of holding the senate and the Democrats are very likely willing to do whatever they can to delay it because...what do they have to lose Bobby? It's not like the GOP will try to replace a right-leaning moderate with another moderate, what do they really have to lose here? You act as if the GOP was ever going to sit at the table and consider it's more liberal citizens, they were never, and if Ginsburg goes you think they are going to do the right thing there and put up Garland? **** No, they will try to ram another extreme right wing judge down our throats and some of you, likely you, will be rooting and cheering for it not understanding the consequences of it. But this is the state of it, this is what happens when both sides never negotiate with each other or compromise with each other. Everyone is playing for keeps. Otherwise, the GOP would have pulled Kavanaugh and just put up someone else, but pushing him through, as revealed by many right wing members here, is more of a pride and power thing than a smart thing. Because the truth is you or I don't know WTF Kavanaugh did in his past, but I think there's enough hints that he may not be the cleanest judge out there, this being a job interview and all, maybe pick someone else...but again, go for it. I think the Democrats will bring it up again when they have the power to run a more thorough investigation on him, if they find anything, I don't want to hear whining about it. Don't say I didn't warn you.
That was a very long winded way of dodging my question, if you had a son would you be fine with him being treated in this manner? If there was no evidence he did anything wrong, would you simply say "Well, some random white woman says he did it and I believe women, I guess my son is a rapist"?
Your question is entirely irrelevant to the topic and doesn't at all reflect what is happening here. The answer is simple, I'd ask if he did indeed do it and judge him from there, if I believed him then I'd hire the best lawyers I can to protect him if this is a criminal charge. If it isn't then I'd hire a lawyer anyway and charge the woman for slander of my son. Now, how would you feel if you had a daughter that said she was raped but no one took her story seriously? What would you do?
Meanwhile, Merrick Garland, a superbly qualified, highly respected moderate judge appointed by President Obama for the seat given to Gorsuch in an utterly ruthless and shameless exercise in partisanship by the Republican leadership in the Senate couldn't even get a hearing, yet this proven liar, Mr. Kavanaugh, a man also proven by his own testimony to be of unstable temperament, in addition to lying under oath to Congress, "must" be shoved through, come hell or high water. I keep hearing all the whining and chest thumping by the local hypocrites here of the Right and it not only rings hollow, it drapes them in a coat of shame they don't even realize they are wearing. Hypocrisy writ large on the big stage, while failing the country they profess to love.
You would attack the woman? Oh wow, you could get excommunicated from the Democratic party for that! You just have to believe the woman, you son is guilty based on him being male and you just have to accept that. It's funny that when asked about someone they care about all of the BS about "believe women" just goes away. I mean, you said so yourself, women have no reason to lie about sexual assault so you should ignore all of the times where women have lied about sexual assault and lead the charge to string up your son, not defend him. If I had a daughter who said she was raped or someone attempted to rape her and her story changed a few times and even her friends who she said could corroborate her story said that they couldn't and there was no evidence whatsoever that anything at all happened.....I'd probably focus on getting her some mental health assistance. If it was a credible allegation supported by evidence and corroboration, the guy who did it would pray the cops got to him first. No intelligent person acts merely on uncorroborated testimony.
I honestly do wish that the Senate had wasted their time with a hearing for Garland and rejected his nomination just so that knuckle draggers like this would shut the **** up about it. The butt hurt is real.
Hard to know if kavanaugh is a sex offender./ He says he wasn't, but he was so drunk much of the time, who would know? He says he isn't, but he lies so often, who would know for sure?
This man went on a partisanship rant against Democrats, good luck ever finding that again. The American people are losing faith in the SCOTUS and I'm not so sure what that means. If you look at how judges used to be confirmed, 60+ for, we've had many 90+ for. The GOP is going to destroy the Supreme Court at this rate and people like @Bobbythegreat who hopes they pack the court with extreme right-wing judges, his words there, will be the reason for its destruction.
I'm not sure that's true, perhaps you are losing faith in the SCOTUS due to not getting your way, but I don't think "the American people" necessarily feel that way as a whole.
Yeah, not true. Keith Ellison survived his accusations and so have many other men. In fact, the only people going after Keith now are on the right lol. Looks like republicans care about the woman's word if it's against a Democrat. I did not say that. This is why replying to you is basically pointless, you ignored what I said and imagined what I said instead. When I posted gifs you continued to literally argue with yourself. You're not even arguing my point. THAT is what I said. I didn't say to ignore anything, that's my entire point.
