Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

JayGoogle · Oct 3, 2018

B-Bob said: ↑

No, thank you and I do not. I have the same respect for you but didn't understand the slam of all democrats. But whatever.

Divisive politics are divisive. We can keep doing our best to stay in touch though. Peace.
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I certainly agree, there have been plenty of Democratic scumbags...

I think though that Democrats usually are the first to throw them under the bus...Weiner and Franken come to mind immediately.

Meanwhile, the GOP as of late has a habit of actually promoting theirs to higher and higher positions. President, SCOTUS, it'd be nice if more conservatives would toss out their bad apples.

peleincubus · Oct 3, 2018

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That weird hair thing over the ear is weird.

Os Trigonum · Oct 3, 2018

Orrin Hatch in the WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/brett-kavanaughs-righteous-anger-1538519713?mod=hp_opin_pos1

Brett Kavanaugh’s Righteous Anger
His foes seem to think a good judge would respond like a robot to scurrilous personal attacks.

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By Orrin Hatch
Oct. 2, 2018 6:35 p.m. ET

A notable shift occurred in the left’s anti-Kavanaugh campaign over the weekend. Attention has turned away from Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations of sexual assault—the entire reason for last week’s hearing and the ensuing delay in Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation vote—and toward his behavior at the hearing.

We’re starting to see arguments like the following: Even if Judge Kavanaugh is innocent, what he said at the hearing, and how he said it, is disqualifying.

This is rich. The hearing occurred in the first place only because of Democratic duplicity. It occurred only because Senate Democrats sat on Ms. Ford’s allegations for six weeks rather than referring them to committee investigators, as they should have done immediately. It occurred only because Ms. Ford’s lawyers—recommended to Ms. Ford by Senate Democrats—refused to tell their client of our invitation to testify privately in California, as she said she preferred.

That Judge Kavanaugh had the temerity to defend himself vigorously is now being counted as a strike against him. Over and over we hear him described as “angry,” “belligerent” or “partisan,” followed by the claim that his conduct at the hearing shows that he lacks a judicial temperament. Even “Saturday Night Live” got in on the action.

You’ve got to be kidding me. Do the people making this argument really expect a man who until five seconds ago had an unblemished reputation to sit passively while his reputation is viciously and permanently destroyed? While he is accused of the most horrific and obscene acts imaginable? Judge Kavanaugh’s critics seem to be aghast that he is a human being who is unwilling to take slander lying down.

Had Judge Kavanaugh sat dispassionately through Thursday’s hearing and denied the allegations weakly, his critics would have taken his lack of forcefulness as proof of guilt. We all know this. We’re not stupid. Spare us the pearl-clutching.

More to the point, this whole “temperament” argument is a non sequitur. Obviously Judge Kavanaugh would recuse himself if his own case came before the court. We’re told that a man who reacts with understandable indignation when he is falsely accused cannot be a dispassionate arbiter of disputes involving third parties.

But we don’t need to guess about how Judge Kavanaugh behaves when he’s actually on the bench. He has a 12-year track record. And here’s what the American Bar Association had to say about him after interviewing more than 100 fellow judges and lawyers who know and have appeared before him: “Lawyers and judges overwhelmingly praised Judge Kavanaugh’s judicial temperament.”

Then there’s the matter of Judge Kavanaugh’s alcohol consumption. Not since Prohibition have so many news outlets reported on drinking habits with such interest.

Countless articles have been written about how Judge Kavanaugh “lied” about his high-school and college drinking at the hearing, thereby calling into question his honesty. These articles claim the judge portrayed himself as a “choirboy” who, in the words of the New York Times, enjoyed “a beer or two as a high school and college student.” Then they hit back with quotes from college acquaintances who say they saw the judge drink quite a lot.

This is known in the business as a straw man. Judge Kavanaugh never claimed he always drank in moderation. To the contrary, he admitted, “Sometimes I had too many beers.” If Judge Kavanaugh’s opponents want to claim he lied about his drinking when he was younger, perhaps they should stop lying about what he actually said.

A slightly different straw man concerns Judge Kavanaugh’s statements at the hearing that he never blacked out from drinking. The Times and others have gathered testimonials from classmates who say they heard the judge “slur his words” and saw him “staggering” from alcohol consumption, as if this were proof that he blacked out from drinking. But of course Judge Kavanaugh never denied that he slurred his words or staggered. He said he never blacked out. Even a teetotaling Mormon knows the difference.

What’s going on here is obvious. Having failed to bring down Judge Kavanaugh with unsubstantiated allegations of sexual abuse, his opponents are now trying to call into question his character in defending himself from those allegations. It’s the ultimate set-up job. If the initial charges don’t work, we’ll destroy him when he defends himself. The good judge is damned no matter what he does.

This is further evidence that this whole sordid saga was never about the truth. It was never about justice for Ms. Ford. It was always and only about defeating Judge Kavanaugh by any means necessary. If the claims about sexual assault—a serious and important topic that deserves respectful consideration, not this farce—fail to stick, we’ll take him down with straw men about drinking and nitpicking about yearbooks.

The latest claim is that Judge Kavanaugh lied when he testified that he first learned about Deborah Ramirez’s allegations of lewd conduct from “the New Yorker story.” NBC News reports he might have discussed the matter with fellow Yale alumni before the story’s publication. In fact, he testified he’d heard “that she was calling around to classmates trying to see if they remembered” the events she described. The New Yorker quotes him denying the allegations—so it seems a fair conclusion he learned of the precise claim from the New Yorker story as it was being prepared for publication.

He also reportedly threw ice at someone in a bar in 1985. So there’s that.

I for one have had enough of this charade. Judge Kavanaugh is a good man and a good judge who doesn’t deserve this treatment or anything like it. What he does deserve is confirmation.

Mr. Hatch, a Utah Republican, is president pro tempore of the U.S. Senate and a member of the Judiciary Committee.
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mick fry · Oct 3, 2018

peleincubus said: ↑

That weird hair thing over the ear is weird.
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Another reason to impeach(although one of the better ones), you’re just piling on now.

peleincubus · Oct 3, 2018

mick fry said: ↑

Another reason to impeach(although one of the better ones), you’re just piling on now.
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Hunhhh? I’m just saying it is freaking weird.

No Worries · Oct 3, 2018

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I openly wonder if Grassley is also interested in the 29 lies Kavanaugn told. Likely not.

No Worries · Oct 3, 2018

tallanvor said: ↑

either way, Trump wasn't mocking her.
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Do you exist some alternative reality where up is down and down is up?

Just curious.

No Worries · Oct 3, 2018

SamFisher · Oct 3, 2018

Os Trigonum said: ↑

Orrin Hatch in the WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/brett-kavanaughs-righteous-anger-1538519713?mod=hp_opin_pos1
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I'm sure there's dozens of other octagenerian senators being pushed out due to signs of dementia that are writing op-ed's like this.

Thanks for posting & keep them coming.

Here's my favorite, sobering take on the situation, from soberookings of the Sobereltwayers abandoning ship:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...confirm-brett-kavanaugh/571936/?utm_source=eb

I Know Brett Kavanaugh, but I Wouldn’t Confirm Him
This is an article I never imagined myself writing, that I never wanted to write, that I wish I could not write.

I were a senator, I would not vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh.

These are words I write with no pleasure, but with deep sadness. Unlike many people who will read them with glee—as validating preexisting political, philosophical, or jurisprudential opposition to Kavanaugh’s nomination—I have no hostility to or particular fear of conservative jurisprudence. I have a long relationship with Kavanaugh, and I have always liked him. I have admired his career on the D.C. Circuit. I have spoken warmly of him. I have published him. I have vouched publicly for his character—more than once—and taken a fair bit of heat for doing so. I have also spent a substantial portion of my adult life defending the proposition that judicial nominees are entitled to a measure of decency from the Senate and that there should be norms of civility within a process that showed Kavanaugh none even before the current allegations arose.

This is an article I never imagined myself writing, that I never wanted to write, that I wish I could not write.
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But my bottom line is the opposite of the one Flake expressed in his statement: Faced with credible allegations of serious misconduct against him, Kavanaugh behaved in a fashion unacceptable in a justice, it seems preponderantly likely he was not candid with the Senate Judiciary Committee on important matters, and the risk of Ford’s allegations being closer to the truth than his denial of them is simply too high to place him on the Supreme Court.

We are in a political environment in which there are no rules, no norms anymore to violate. There is only power, and the individual judgments of individual senators—facing whatever political pressures they face, calculating political gain however they do it, and consulting their consciences to the extent they have them.

As much as I admire Kavanaugh, my conscience would not permit me to vote for him.
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Andre0087 · Oct 3, 2018

Sen. Orrin Hatch says it’s too early to say if Ford is credible.

“I don’t think she’s uncredible. I think she an attractive, good witness,” he said.

Asked by @ElizLanders what he meant by “attractive,” he said, “In other words, she’s pleasing.”

Get these old fossils the **** out of Congress...

mick fry · Oct 3, 2018

No Worries said: ↑

I openly wonder if Grassley is also interested in the 29 lies Kavanaugn told. Likely not.
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You don’t get it do you? She has made some serious allegations against someone and her credibility is in constant erosion seriously questioning the sworn testimony and the motives behind it. Stop with the but he did, he said BS. She can be found guilty of making this whole thing up and the left would say oh well we would have never known he threw some ice when he was a teenager. Just silly! The ends justifies the means, not at all similar to the Russian collusion BS.

bigtexxx · Oct 3, 2018

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I'm amazed that the usual clowns who refuse to admit they voted for Trump yet support him at every turn have already moved the goal posts past a traitor and a lying, racist piece of **** is nominating Supreme Court justices while being investigated for colluding with a foreign power. That's a special kind of lunacy. Both sides derp.

Trump's success is due to the short attention span having, morally bankrupt, greedy sycophants and trolls who continue lowering the bar for the moron in chief. No conduct is deprived enough, no lie big enough, no incompetence egregious enough, no facts factual enough.
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Your problem is you're distracted by all the smoke screens and media smear attacks.

You need to learn to stick to the facts. On the "facts scoreboard", you have:
1) No evidence of Russian collusion
2) No evidence to support Ford's 36 year old claims

Innocent until proven guilty - it's a foundational concept.

cml750 · Oct 3, 2018

bigtexxx said: ↑

Your problem is you're distracted by all the smoke screens and media smear attacks.

You need to learn to stick to the facts. On the "facts scoreboard", you have:
1) No evidence of Russian collusion
2) No evidence to support Ford's 36 year old claims

Innocent until proven guilty - it's a foundational concept.
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Yes, it is very easy to see which posters sit mindlessly in their liberal echo chamber each day

mick fry · Oct 3, 2018

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Yes, it is very easy to see which posters sit mindlessly in their liberal echo chamber each day
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They like reading tweets about Kavanaugh, if they really want to expand their horizons they will read up on George Soros and why they are in bed with the devil.

cml750 · Oct 3, 2018

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-poll-suggests-heidi-heitkamp-in-trouble

A new poll shows Republican challenger Rep. Kevin Cramer leading Sen. Heidi Heitkamp by a 10- point margin, with North Dakotans overwhelmingly in favor of confirming Brett Kavanaugh to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Losing a race in North Dakota would make it significantly more difficult for Democrats to retake the Senate.

The poll, from Strategic Research Associates and North Dakota's NBC affiliate, shows Cramer opening up a 51 percent to 41 percent lead over the Democratic incumbent.
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Severe Rockets Fan · Oct 3, 2018

Take this for what it's worth...ex-boyfriend that she cheated on and took money...so he says.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-says-WASNT-afraid-flying-closed-spaces.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ch...for-potential-polygraph-grassley-sounds-alarm

An ex-boyfriend of Christine Blasey Ford has come forward to contradict her testimony that she was claustrophobic and had trouble flying as a result of her alleged assault.

The mystery ex says he lived with Ford for a time and dated her for a period of six years until he found out that she cheated on him. He also witnessed her coaching a friend on passing a lie detector test. Ford denied under oath that she had ever done that.

'Never,' she told senators as she testified against Supreme Court Justice nominee Brett Kavanaugh, her alleged attacker.

Ford further claimed that she had not had 'any discussions with anyone ... on how to take a polygraph' and had not 'given any tips or advice to anyone who was looking to take a polygraph test' before taking her own lie detector test in August.

I guess this could keep going back and forth...I imagine the folks that have stuff against her would be conservative, while everyone they find to support her would be liberal? Anyhow, why would she need to lie about these things? Just weird.

Os Trigonum · Oct 3, 2018

even USA Today starting to reflect the changing winds

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ies-not-credible-kavanaugh-column/1497661002/

adoo · Oct 3, 2018

Os Trigonum said: ↑

even USA Today starting to reflect the changing winds

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ies-not-credible-kavanaugh-column/1497661002/
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this pales in comparison to the many lies that fff Bart had told to the Senators and FoxNews.

cml750 · Oct 3, 2018

Os Trigonum said: ↑

even USA Today starting to reflect the changing winds

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ies-not-credible-kavanaugh-column/1497661002/
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Kudos to the USA Today for admitting the truth about Fords testimony.

Nook · Oct 3, 2018

Os Trigonum said: ↑

even USA Today starting to reflect the changing winds

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ies-not-credible-kavanaugh-column/1497661002/
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An opinion piece by a lady that writes for the Federalist and has called the Mueller investigation a witch hunt since day one, is a supporter of Trump?

That is hardly indicative of changing winds.

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