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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Chilly_Pete

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    You are and Kavanaugh.
     
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    No it really doesn't. The only witnesses she listed said it never happened. She may have merit in that she could have been sexually assaulted but to this point she has zero merit accusing Kavanaugh. That is why they have moved the goalpost.
     
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  5. tallanvor

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    Aren't you forgetting about the countless lies about what 'boof' means and 'devil's triangle'? those are the real smoking guns.
     
  6. Nook

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    Did I say it was perjury?

    Do you know the difference between being dishonest and perjury?

    He has been exposed as unethical and dishonest.

    You need to educate yourself on the differences from a legal perspective.

    The bar for perjury is very high from a legal perspective.
     
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  7. Bobbythegreat

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    At this point I'm fine with the b**** fit about Kavanaugh, none of it is going to matter since he'll be on the SCOTUS bench in a few days. The tears will continue to fall, but they won't matter.
     
  8. No Worries

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    Your brain is indeed broken.

    The witness said that he did not remember this event happening.

    You don't remember your mom changing your diaper, but that does not mean it did not happen.
     
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  9. Space Ghost

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    Yes this is what I am stating.

    Putting him on trial for his drinking in high school and college is idiotic.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    It's the best they have to work with and their extreme desperation is nearly a pathological condition at this point. It's kind of unfair to expect anything logical or fair from them. That's why it's not even worth arguing with them anymore, just let them cry and push the nomination through.
     
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  11. Nook

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    He isn't being put on trial for drinking in high school and college.

    He is under fire for being deceptive and not truthful about a number of things, including his unbelievable explanations about his past.

    This is a "He said - She said" scenario and circumstantial evidence is extremely important, and do is the credibility of the the parties at issue.

    What has happened, is that Kavanaugh has been dishonest and less than candid about a number of things, and it has caused a lot of people to question whether he is believable on other issues and whether he is qualified to be a Supreme Court Justice from an ethical perspective.

    At the end of the day, Kavanaugh's fate rests in the hands of the Republicans in the Senate.... can Graham and McConnell strong arm and threaten enough of the fence sitting Republicans to suck it up and vote for his confirmation. At the end of the day, it is Washington and I suspect that he narrowly is confirmed but at great political cost for the Republicans as the polling on the issue is not good for the Republicans; especially among educated women and white women.
     
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  13. Bobbythegreat

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    This isn't fully accurate, he's not really "under fire" so much as "Democrats are whining about" and also when it comes to getting him confirmed, his fate doesn't really rest wit hteh Republicans in the Senate, I mean, partially that is true, but there will be at least 2 or 3 Democrats who vote for him so that they'll have a chance of remaining in the Senate. So even if Senator Flake pulls a Senator Flake, it won't sink the process.
     
  14. No Worries

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    Kavanaugh: 29 Lies and Counting

    Jeff Flake told 60 Minutes that Kavanaugh would not be confirmed if the FBI probe showed that he lied to the Senate Judiciary Committee. We already know that Kavanaugh has lied. Repeatedly.

    From Brett Kavanaugh’s first confirmation hearing for the D.C. Circuit Court to his most recent hearing with Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, he has lied. It didn’t matter how small or big the issue. It didn’t matter that he was under oath. Integrity matters, Kavanaugh’s character matters, and he has clearly shown that he is not fit for a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court. Here are 29 times that Kavanaugh has lied.

    LIE 1
    In 2004, Kavanaugh claimed that the nomination of anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ judge William Pryor was “not one that I worked on personally.”
    TRUTH
    Newly released emails showed Kavanaugh was involved in selecting Pryor, interviewing him, and working to confirm him.

    LIE 2
    In 2006, Kavanaugh denied he “primarily handl[ed]” the nomination of Judge Charles Pickering, who had pushed to reduce the sentence of a man convicted of burning a cross in front of an interracial couple’s house.
    TRUTH
    Emails released this year show that Kavanaugh prepared documents on Pickering and worked on a draft op-ed in support of the nominee.

    LIE 3
    In 2006, Kavanaugh denied that he “handled” the nomination of William Haynes.
    TRUTH
    Recent emails revealed that Kavanaugh played a large role in Haynes nomination, including determining that Haynes “would be an across-the-board judicial conservative”.

    LIE 4
    In 2004, Kavanaugh denied knowing that he had received documents stolen from Democratic senators during the Bush administration, claiming that he was “not aware of that matter ever until I learned of it in the media late last year.”
    TRUTH
    Emails showed that Kavanaugh received stolen information about Senator Leahy and was told to hold it in the “strictest confidence” and to keep it confidential — Kavanaugh should have known that it was improperly obtained.

    Kavanaugh’s claims otherwise were deemed by one fact checker to “defy logic”.

    LIE 5
    In a 2004 written questionnaire, Kavanaugh wrote “These meetings, calls, and emails were typical of how judicial confirmations have been handled in past TRUTH
    As Glenn Kessler noted in the Washington Post, Kavanaugh’s claims that his interactions with Miranda were “typical” of past administrations is “not accurate”.

    LIE 6
    In 2006, Kavanaugh again denied knowing that he had received the stolen documents saying that he “Did not know about it, did not suspect it.”
    TRUTH
    Emails showed that Kavanaugh received stolen information about Senator Leahy and was told to hold it in the “strictest confidence” and to keep it confidential — Kavanaugh should have known that it was improperly obtained.

    LIE 7
    In 2018, Kavanaugh denied knowing that he had received documents that were stolen from Democratic senators during the Bush administration, claiming that his interactions with Miranda were “the usual kinds of discussions that would happen.”
    TRUTH
    Kavanaugh’s description that his interactions were “usual” has been categorized as “not accurate”.

    LIE 8
    During his confirmation hearing in 2006, Kavanaugh said, “I was not involved and am not involved in the questions about the rules governing detention of combatants.”
    TRUTH
    One year later, it was reported that Kavanaugh had in fact counseled a group of White House lawyers regarding the administration’s decision to deny lawyers to enemy combatants. There are now at least three recorded examples of Kavanaugh participating in discussions of Bush administration detainee policy.

    LIE 9
    During Kavanaugh’s 2006 confirmation hearing, he lied under oath about his work on warrantless wiretapping. Kavanaugh denied involvement in a controversial Bush-era surveillance program and said that he didn’t know about it until the program was revealed by the New York Times.
    TRUTH
    A newly released email shows that Kavanaugh asked the Justice Department about the constitutionality of “random/constant surveillance of phone and email conversations of non-citizens who are in the United States when the purpose of the surveillance is to prevent terrorist/criminal violence.”

    LIE 10
    Kavanaugh claimed that his previous testimony about his work in the Bush White House was “100 percent accurate.”
    TRUTH
    As Leahy detailed, “There is evidence that Mr. Miranda provided you with materials that were stolen from me,” Mr. Leahy said at the hearing. “And that would contradict your prior testimony. It is also clear from public emails — and I’m refraining from going into nonpublic ones — that you had reason to believe materials were obtained inappropriately at the time.”
     
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    [continued]

    LIE 11
    During his 2006 confirmation hearing for his D.C. Circuit Court nomination, Kavanaugh assured members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that he would “follow Roe v. Wade faithfully and fully.”

    TRUTH
    A decade later, and just one year after the Supreme Court once again reaffirmed Roe v. Wade in Whole Woman’s Health v. Hellerstedt, Kavanaugh ruled to deny a woman the right to get an abortion without obstruction by the federal government.

    LIE 12
    “When this allegation first arose, I welcomed any kind of investigation. Senate, FBI or otherwise. The committee has now conducted a thorough investigation, and I cooperated fully. I know that any investigation … will clear me.”
    TRUTH
    NBC News: “Kavanaugh did not publicly welcome an investigation in two public statements denying the allegations and an in-depth interview with Fox News. It is unclear if he did so privately.”

    LIE 13
    Kavanaugh claimed in his opening statement on September 27, “I spent most of my time in high school focused on academics, sports, church, and service.”
    TRUTH
    As Kavanaugh’s own calendar indicated, there were a lot of parties and gatherings noted, as the Washington Post noted, “But it does have one interesting entry: “Go to Timmy’s for Ski’s.” That’s a slang term for “brewskis” = beer, and he includes other friends who Ford alleges were at the party — or in the room, in the case of Mark Judge — when the incident occurred.”

    LIE 14
    Kavanaugh stated, categorically, that he “never attended a gathering like the one Dr. Ford describes in her allegation.
    TRUTH
    Kavanaugh himself admitted that his calendars “show a few weekday gatherings at friends’ houses after a workout or just to meet up and have some beers.

    LIE 15
    Kavanaugh argued that “none of those gatherings included the group of people that Dr. Ford has identified.”
    TRUTH
    A July 1 calendar entry included the exact group of people that Dr. Blasey Ford said attended the gathering.

    LIE 16
    Kavanaugh testified, “When my friends and I spent time together at parties on weekends, it was usually with friends from nearby Catholic all-girls high schools — Stone Ridge, Holy Child, Visitation, Immaculata, Holy Cross. Dr. Blasey did not attend one of those schools. She attended an independent private school named Holton-Arms, and she was a year behind me.”
    TRUTH
    New York Times: “Judge Kavanaugh’s implication is that students at Holton-Arms, an all-girls school, didn’t mingle much those who attended Georgetown Prep. Two of Judge Kavanaugh’s former schoolmates said on Friday that this was not true and that Holton-Arms students were routinely present at parties with Georgetown Prep boys.

    ‘Holton-Arms was definitely part of our social scene,’ Mr. Barbot said. Another Georgetown Prep alumnus who was in Judge Kavanaugh’s class said, ‘Holton was as much a sister school as the others.’”

    LIE 17
    According to Slate, “Nine times during Thursday’s hearing, Kavanaugh claimed that four of the teenagers, including himself, made statements affirming that Ford’s version of events didn’t happen.”

    For example, Kavanaugh claimed that “[a]ll four witnesses who are alleged to be at the event said it didn’t happen.”

    “I just want to reemphasize: All four witnesses who were allegedly at the event have said it didn’t happen, including Dr. Ford’s longtime friend, Ms. Keyser.”

    “It’s been investigated and all four witnesses say it didn’t happen.”TRUTH
    This is untrue. Dr. Blasey Ford claimed that Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, a boy named P.J., and one other boy whose name she could not recall were present at the party. She also said her friend Leland was present. Though P.J and Leland have both said they could not recall the event, neither have said that it did not happen and Leland said she believed Ford.

    LIE 18
    Kavanaugh claimed in his opening statement on September 27, “Dr. Ford’s allegations are not merely uncorroborated, it’s refuted by the very people she says were there.”
    TRUTH
    Associated Press: “THE FACTS: The statements in question do not corroborate Ford’s allegations, but they also do not exonerate Kavanaugh. They leave open the possibility that people at the small gathering forgot about it or were not in position to witness the assault.”

    LIE 19
    Kavanaugh claimed to be simply a social drinker.

    “I — passed out would be — no, but I’ve gone to sleep, but — but I’ve never blacked out. That’s the — that’s the — the allegation, and that — that — that’s wrong.”
    TRUTH
    Many of Kavanaugh’s high school and college classmates contest this, claiming that Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker who was often incoherent and even belligerent.

    Even Trump himself admitted at a recent press conference, “He did have difficulty as a young man with drink[ing.]”

    LIE 20
    “We have heard your college roommate say that you did drink frequently…,” Klobuchar said. “Another classmate said it’s not credible for you to say you didn’t have memory lapses.”

    “I don’t think I, I actually don’t think that’s, the second quote’s correct,” Kavanaugh replied.
    TRUTH
    Washington Post: “It is [correct]. The classmate was Liz Swisher, who knew him in college. She told The Post that he was a ‘sloppy drunk,’ adding: ‘There’s no medical way I can say that he was blacked out. . . . But it’s not credible for him to say that he has had no memory lapses in the nights that he drank to excess.’”
     
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    [continued]

    LIE 21
    When asked about his high school year book’s reference to him being “Beach Week Ralph Club — Biggest Contributor,” Kavanaugh claimed that it was a reference to his weak stomach.
    TRUTH
    Again, according to many people who knew him in high school and college, this explanation lacks any credulity.

    LIE 22
    When Sen. Whitehouse asked Kavanaugh how do you pronounce “boofed,”Kavanaugh stated that it referred “to flatulence. We were 16.”
    TRUTH
    As the New York Times reported, “‘Boofed’ in the 1980s was a term that often referred to anal sex, and that is how Judge Kavanaugh’s classmates said they interpreted his comment. They said they had never heard it used to refer to flatulence.”

    LIE 23
    When asked about “Devil’s Triangle” and what it was, Kavanaugh said it was a “Drinking game.”
    TRUTH
    As the New York Times reported “the phrase was regularly used to describe sex between two men and a woman.” As a classmate at Georgetown Prep, Bill Barbot said “the spin that Brett was putting on [the yearbook] was a complete overstatement of the innocence with which they were intended.’”

    LIE 24
    In Kavanaugh’s yearbook, some of the football players, including Kavanaugh, used the cryptic phrase “Renate Alumni.”

    Kavanaugh testified that it was because “she was a great friend of ours” and attacked Democrats and the media for bringing her name into it.
    TRUTH
    Two ex-Georgetown Prep classmates told the New York Times that boys were bragging (truthfully or not, probably not) about sex with Renate.

    Sean Hagan said that Kavanaugh and his teammates “were very disrespectful, at least verbally, with Renate.

    Renate said, I can’t begin to comprehend what goes through the minds of 17-year-old boys who write such things, but the insinuation is horrible, hurtful and simply untrue. I pray their daughters are never treated this way.”

    LIE 25
    With respect to Kavanaugh’s yearbook reference of being a “Renate Alumnius,” Kavanaugh claimed it was to show “affection” because she was a friend.
    TRUTH
    Kavanaugh’s own lawyer told the New York Times, “Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event.”

    LIE 26
    Kavanaugh claimed to have ““no connections” to Yale, explaining that “I got there by busting my tail.”
    TRUTH
    In fact, Kavanaugh’s grandfather attended the school and Kavanaugh would be classified as a legacy student.

    LIE 27
    Kavanaugh told Sens. Feinstein and Whitehouse that he never broke grand jury secrecy laws.
    TRUTH
    As Feinstein has detailed, “According to a memo from the National Archives, Brett Kavanaugh instructed Hickman Ewing, a colleague and deputy independent counsel in the Starr investigation, to ‘call [Chris] Ruddy’ about matters before a grand jury, which would be illegal to disclose.”

    LIE 28
    Kavanaugh said that polygraph tests are “not reliable.”
    TRUTH
    In a 2006 opinion, Kavanaugh wrote that polygraph examinations “serve law enforcement purposes.”

    LIE 29
    Sen. Kamala Harris asked Kavanaugh if he had watched Ford’s testimony and Kavanaugh responded, “I did not. I plan to, I plan to, but I did not, I was preparing mine.”
    TRUTH
    A committee aide told The Wall Street Journal that Kavanaugh was watching Ford testify from a monitor in another room in the Dirksen Senate Building.
     
  17. Air Langhi

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    Sorry its only a lie if it come out of lying Hilary.
     
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    Since all of the other allegations have fallen apart, here's the new thing they are going with hoping it'll stick, Kavanaugh threw ice at someone once upon a time.

     
  19. BigDog63

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    Not really. Passing out is involuntarily going unconscious. Going to sleep could, and most often is, voluntary. Pretty much everyone who drinks goes to sleep from drinking, yet the vast majority of them didn't 'pass out'. The above definition would apply to anyone who has had a few glasses of wine, often specifically to make them sleepy.
     
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    We're still digging, but you have gone so low that we may never find you. It's difficult to drill through the lies and fantasies you and your pals keep regurgitating here. I'm glad that you aren't "claiming the high ground," since you have yet to find it.
     
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