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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. juicystream

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    And Bill Cosby's career said what about him?
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    Still no evidence in the case against Kavanaugh. Just a bunch of democrats who want to postpone this thing, in a long-shot hope of it slipping into the new year when they perhaps have a chance at controlling the Senate.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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  4. adoo

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    . U do know that Jeff Flake is a Republican, no?
     
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    He's 100% grade-A RINO.

    He's auditioning for his next job with either CNN or MSNBC as the "good" Republican they can have come on and bash Trump.
     
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  6. JayGoogle

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    You have to remember if you don't vote lock/step with the dear leader then you are nothing but a traitor.
     
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  7. bigtexxx

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    You are missing the point. It's more than the week that Flake added. DiFi sat on this whole thing until the last minute, clearly an attempt to delay.
     
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  8. Andre0087

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    Didn't know Feinstein was 85 years old, we really do need new blood in both parties because a 3 party liberal, moderate, conservative model doesn't seem like it will ever work in this country.
     
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    That is basically the three groups we have always had even if there was not a moderate party. The left or right had to build coalitions trying to sway the moderates who ebbed and flowed slightly to the left and right of center. Now with the left becoming so radical and moving so far to the left it has skewed everything. It is forcing the moderates to chose permanent sides.
     
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  10. adoo

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    ur being intellectually dishonest

    Prof Ford did not want to her identity known
    but when it came to DiFi's attention that a Republican smear hit man, the same one who had had falsely claimed
    that another boy, not BK, had assaulted Ford
    , had been making inquiries about Prof Ford,

    (this underscores the fact that the Republicans had known about the accusation B4 the FBI)
    the Calif Senator then forwarded Ford's accusation to the FBI​
     
  11. Andre0087

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    Both parties have become radical, it's not just the left or right. Politicians just want to get reelected, look at Flake, he has nothing to run for and all of a sudden he has a conscience.
     
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    That's not really accurate.

    [​IMG]

    The Democratic party has moved really far to the left and have eliminated almost all moderates from their party, the Republicans have a wide range of views, but overall haven't moved very far in the last 23 years
     
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    The lefts radical shift makes the right look more extreme but the have not shifted as much as you think. Flake is just a #NEVERTrumper who will do anything to stick it to Trump. He will also get a cushy job at a liberal news outlet bashing Trump for a living.
     
  15. Andre0087

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    The 3 party system would be a logical answer. As far as your poll, possibly, but the country in general has been moving in a more liberal direction for decades. You need to provide more info on the poll you submitted but even then we know how polls work out...just ask Hillary ;)
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    3 parties cannot exist with this style of government. As to the country moving left, that has happened, but not nearly as much as the Democrat party has moved left. Also of note, that was just Republicans and Democrats, it doesn't include non partisans in that graph.

    In reality what needs to happen is that both parties need to be forced back together by rejecting extremism. If that happens, the party that has embraced extremism will be forced back to the middle or they'll have so little power they'll be irrelevant.
     
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    With Swetnick walking back her claims and directly contradicting what she said in a sworn statement, I hope they go after her and her attorney. Hopefully she'll do time over this in order to make an example out of her.
     
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    this week is going to be disgusting and stupid, the media is just gonna shotgun any accusation they can find at this guy

    "I saw him get drunk in college!"

     
  19. dobro1229

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    Meanwhile Republicans could have been starting the hearings last week and voting this week on another Gorsuch type judge who would be confirmed before the Oct session.

    You Trumpers just don’t get it. You lose because everything is about owning the libs. We live inside your small little heads. You will go to your grave defending Kavanaugh for what... nothing but your devotion to King Trump and your insistence on owning the libs over anything and everything.

    Winning an argument at the Thanksgiving table or on the Internet forums is more important to you clowns than actually winning your poltical agenda.
     
  20. No Worries

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    All The Lies Brett Kavanaugh Told

    Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations are ‘refuted’

    A key point made by Kavanaugh throughout his defense was that Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations were “refuted” by three contemporaries alleged to have been at the party where she said he sexually assaulted her. Those alleged attendees said, under penalty of perjury, that the event did not take place, Kavanaugh argued.

    “Dr. Ford’s allegation is not merely uncorroborated, it is refuted by the very people she says were there, including by a longtime friend of hers,” Kavanaugh said.

    “The evidence is not corroborated at the time,” he said at another time. “The witnesses who were there say that it didn’t happen.”

    But none of the alleged party attendees ― Mark Judge, Leland Keyser and P.J. Smyth ― ever refuted anything Blasey claimed. They simply said they could not recall attending such a get-together.

    “I have no memory of this alleged incident,” Judge said.

    “I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct,” Smyth said.

    Keyser said that she has “no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where [Kavanaugh] was present, with, or without Dr. Ford.” She added that while she can’t remember the event from 36 years ago, she believes Blasey’s allegations. She reiterated this after Kavanaugh’s misleading testimony.

    Blasey explained that there was no reason for them to remember the party. “It was not one of their more notorious parties because nothing remarkable happened to them that evening,” she said.

    ‘Never attended a gathering’ like the one described by Blasey

    “I never attended a gathering like the one Dr. Ford describes in her allegation,” Kavanaugh said.

    But according to Kavanaugh’s calendars from the summer of 1982, which he submitted as evidence in his defense, he did.

    As he said himself, “The calendars show a few weekday gatherings at friends’ houses after a workout or just to meet up and have some beers.” He says that he never attended a gathering like this, but that’s obviously false because the type of gathering he said he did attend is exactly the kind she described.

    “None of those gatherings included the group of people that Dr. Ford has identified,” he also said.

    On July 1, Kavanaugh wrote that he planned to go “to Timmy’s for skis w/Judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie, Squi.” “Skis” are “brewskis,” a popular slang term for canned or bottled beer in the early 1980s.

    So he gathered for brewskis with two of the three people Blasey said she remembers being there. Small gathering? Beer? Judge, Brett and P.J.? Check, check and check.

    Blasey and Kavanaugh ‘did not travel in the same social circles’

    “She attended an independent private school named Holton-Arms, and she was a year behind me,” Kavanaugh said. “She and I did not travel in the same social circles.”

    In that July 1 calendar entry about drinking “skis” with friends, he lists “Squi,” the nickname for his high school classmate Chris Garrett. Blasey testified that she briefly “went out with” Garrett in the summer of 1982.

    Kavanaugh also admitted in a separate Sept. 17 committee interview that he was friends with Holton-Arms girls. “I would imagine that there were Holton-Arms girls [at parties] on occasion, and I was friends with a couple,” he said.

    ‘I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out’

    “I drank beer with my friends,” Kavanaugh yelled in his opening statement. “Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone.”

    It shouldn’t matter if someone who likes to drink beer or used to binge-drink to the point of blacking out goes on to have a successful career. What is at issue is that Blasey alleged that Kavanaugh was “visibly drunk” when the alleged assault took place. It’s possible Kavanaugh had drunk too much to remember the event.

    Kavanaugh repeatedly stated that he has never blacked out in his life. Numerous people who knew him in college and high school said this was likely impossible, based on the number of times they saw him staggering drunk.

    “Brett was a sloppy drunk, and I know because I drank with him,” said Dr. Liz Swisher, a college friend of Kavanaugh’s. “I watched him drink more than a lot of people. He’d end up slurring his words, stumbling.”

    “He was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time, and that he became aggressive and belligerent when he was very drunk,” said James Roche, a freshman-year college roommate of Kavanaugh’s. “I did not observe the specific incident in question, but I do remember Brett frequently drinking excessively and becoming incoherently drunk.”

    “There is no doubt in my mind that while at Yale, he was a big partier, often drank to excess, and there had to be a number of nights where he does not remember,” said Lynn Brookes, a college classmate.

    Kavanaugh and his friends were “loud, obnoxious frat boy-like drunks,” who were the “hardest drinkers on campus,” according to Kit Winter, Kavanaugh’s other freshman-year college roommate.

    “I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollection of them,” said Daniel Livan, who lived in Kavanaugh’s dorm. “His depiction of himself is inaccurate.”

    “The fact is, at Yale, and I can speak to no other times, Brett was a frequent drinker, and a heavy drinker,” said Chad Ludington, a Yale classmate of Kavanaugh’s. “I know because, especially in our first two years of college, I often drank with him. On many occasions I heard Brett slur his words and saw him staggering from alcohol consumption, not all of which was beer.”

    Ludington added, “I can unequivocally say that in denying the possibility that he ever blacked out from drinking, and in downplaying the degree and frequency of his drinking, Brett has not told the truth.”

    Kavanaugh’s assertion that he has never blacked out from drinking is further challenged by his own stories and emails.

    In a 2014 speech at Yale, Kavanaugh recounted his fun partying days with a story about “falling out of the bus onto the front steps of Yale Law School at about 4:45 a.m.” after attending a Red Sox game at Fenway Park. He then admitted that he and a friend had to put together their memory of the drunken night the next day.

    “Indeed, as a classmate of mine and I were reminiscing and piecing things together the other day, we think we had more than a few beers before the banquet,” Kavanaugh said.

    Kavanaugh, in an email to friends after a fun weekend vacation, apologized for getting belligerent after losing games of dice and said he didn’t remember it happening.

    “Excellent time,” reads Kavanaugh’s email dated Sept. 10, 2001. “Apologies to all for missing Friday (good excuse), arriving late Saturday (weak excuse), and growing aggressive after blowing still another game of dice (don’t recall). Reminders to everyone to be very, very vigilant w/r/t confidentiality on all issues and all fronts, including with spouses.” (Emphasis added.)
     
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