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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. jcf

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    I'm a little confused as to how figuring out when Judge worked at the grocery store would bolster Dr. Ford's credibility unless the timing was so off that it took the "calendar/diary" pages off the field.

    My guess (based on a mutual friend's interview) is that what they will find from Judge is that his memory is so compromised that saying "I don't recall such a party" really doesn't amount to anything.

    If it is true that Ramirez was calling shortly before the announcement to try and bolster her recollection because she was uncertain -- and that 6 days of meetings with DNC lawyers helped her recollection -- that's going nowhere. (No idea if what was reported is true or not.)

    I do think they are keeping the investigation from being about his drinking because he was way more of a drinker than he admitted to. Sure, he did extremely well at tough schools, but lots of smart people partied their way through college and did extremely well.
     
  2. Commodore

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    how much you think Swetnick will raise with her GoFundMe, more than Strozk/McCabe/Ford?

    it's the best scam going on the left

     
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    GoFundMe is only used by people on "the Left"?
     
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    Right, it's ok that he lied under oath, because he's a Republican and that makes it ok, right? The FBI shouldn't establish that he was a party animal when he said he was not, because when you are accused of attempted rape, you have a right to lie to make yourself look good, right?
     
  5. jcf

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    I'm not sure what you are responding to??

    My last paragraph states that I share your opinion that they are keeping the investigation away from his drinking because it would likely show he partied a lot more than he claimed.
     
  6. B-Bob

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    And blacked out, meaning his saying he never did action X, Y, or Z, is less reliable. This is to say nothing of perjury charges which would probably result.
     
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  7. jcf

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    It may be difficult to prove blacked out but he may have told friends that he had blacked out or browned out.

    I think it would be easier to show (if true) that he passed out instead of simply falling asleep as he testified.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    The reason to not have the FBI look into that is because it wouldn't in any way prove or disprove the accusations that they are actually investigating. The only use for statements about his drinking would be to try and smear his name. If someone thought that he drank more in college than he suggested that he did it wouldn't mean that he attempted to rape a woman in high school any more than if the found out he liked to go bowling. The targeted investigation is only looking into the sexual assault allegations....meaning looking for something that could corroborate Dr. Ford's testimony about a house party that no one remembers in a place that no one knows, at a time no one knows of.
     
  9. jcf

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    To be clear, I was trying to break up the possible ares of investigation without simply concluding all would go one way or the other.

    1. I think the timing of Judge's grocery store stint won't prove anything one way or the other.

    2. I think interviewing judge may reveal that his lack of recollection is not a refutation so doesn't help BK -- but more a symptom of gis troubles.

    3. I think the second accuser may have credibility problems IF the earlier accounts are true.

    4. I think the drinking would be the most fertile ground to prove lack of candor but it looks like it isn't going to happen.

    All pure speculation. But my best guess.
     
  10. RocketsLegend

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    "What could she possibly gain from all this"?

     
  11. jcf

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    I hear you and I agree that it wouldn't prove or disprove the allegations.

    But it might: 1) show he has a credibility problem which is relevant in the he said/she said context; and 2). Show he lied or at least painted a false picture of his past drinking which might itself be reason to ding him irrespective of Dr Ford's accusation.
     
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    Perhaps it would suggest that, but looking for things to run down his credibility isn't the focus of the investigation....nor is targeting Ford's credibility by digging up her social media accounts that she scrubbed before going public or her high school yearbook that was also scrubbed from the internet. I'm guessing they could find some less than positive things there....but that's not what they are after.

    They simply want to find the facts as they pertain to her accusation. That's why I feel like a lot on the left will be unsatisfied with the report when it comes out, they clearly think that there is more to it then there is.
     
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    And now, the white house lie about who is responsible for limiting the FBI investigation...

     
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    She wasn't responsible for starting the accounts...but you already knew that. If the f***tards from the right didn't make death threats to a sexual assault survivor, there wouldn't have been a need for money to be raised to keep her safe.
     
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    To be fair,

    Those crazy f tards have more evidence that it didn’t happen then it did.

    There’s more evidence that Ford is making this up then there is that it happened.

    I’m not saying it didn’t, but if you go off facts..
     
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    Really? The people threatening to kill Dr. Ford have evidence that nothing happened? So then why threaten her life or that of her family? Why not just show us the evidence it didn't happen? Wouldn't that be easier?
     
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    Nobody should ever make death threats and I’m a firm believer in letting the evidence speak for itself.

    At this point, three witnesses that Ford said were there, mentioned that it didn’t happen(one being her friend) under sworn testimony.

    Ford has mentioned she didn’t go to Washington sooner due to fear of flying when she has an extensive flying background.

    Ford does not know when where etc the assault occurred.

    Ford still hasn’t gone to the police when she’s in her right to do so.

    The dem committee sat on this for 6 weeks, and are just now asking for an investigation. Why now?

    The Dems did not ask Kavanaugh a single question about this in a private “job interview” after already knowing about weeks prior.

    I mean... how hard does common sense have to slap you in the face?

    I will call it now! I’m reading the dem playbook.

    2 more fake accusations come out in the next 7 days and after the fbi investigates the Ford case, the Dems will cry for lack of time to investigate.
     
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