basically he was in a slump all year , had one average month and one exceptional month that made his 3% average
isnt jimmy butler also 1 a lot better ball handler than Gordon(?) , Gordon was very shaky there with a lot unforced turnovers that costed us a lot and always seemed to come in crucial moments 2 a legit oop/lob threat 3 much much better playmaker/assists guy
butler is clearly the better player than gordon. i think the real question here is, is jimmy a better fit than gordon and whatever we give up
Not sure I get your point about Capela as it applies to both players. Since you mentioned butler is limited for th c and pf, would you agree that losing your best player for that spot is a step back? If you can't acknowledge this, how can you be so sure of your proposition if you don't add that to the variable?
Because we also got Melo this season who could also fulfill what Tucker and previously Ryno have done for us: play stretch 4 or in a small ball lineup, the C that pulls the opposing big out.
Wolves asked Thom Maker 21 yrs old Brogdon 25 yrs old (Rookie of the Year) Middleton 27 yrs old Heat can't beat this deal. They are not young enough. Frontrunner is Bucks
You are all over the place. The discussion is about losing the PF/C spot for Butler. You then added Capela and now Melo. PJ will be playing with those guys if he does not get traded. Let me see if you are being honest with this current discussion. Exact same roster, but replace the 2 for each team. Which team is better suited to play against the PF/C position of GS?
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We are all over the place, because multiple lineups are used depending on what each team is doing (and by extension, the discussion). If they are not going small ball, then Capela is going to be out there keeping Green pinned and it is Butler and Ennis/Melo vs Ego and Tucker. If they go small ball, then it will be Butler/Harden and Melo at 4 and 5 vs Ariza and Tucker at 4 and 5. There has been 2 different discussions currently; does Butler fit our offense better than Ego and can we offset the loss of Tucker with Melo if we have to lose him to get Butler. Keep up, man. A team with Butler, Ennis, and Melo is absolutely better suited to play against GSW with Green and Cousins than a team with Ego, Ariza, and Tucker would have been. The name of the game is offense, not defense. The superior offensive team wins.
Are you seriously dumb enough to think we will be using one lineup the entire time? Different lineups from GSW mean different lineups from Rox. This means that the discussion of which is better will also change. There are more than 5 players on each team for a reason. Basketball is not about comparing one player to another but how the new lineups with new personnel compare to old lineups with old personnel. If we lose Tucker, that means our new small ball lineup is: PG: CP3 SG: Harden SF: Ennis PF: Butler C: Melo If we don't lose Tucker, it will be... PG: CP3 SG: Harden SF: Butler PF: Melo C: Tucker Ideally, we do not lose Tucker. If we DO lose Tucker, I feel that have Butler and Melo still puts us in a better position vs their small ball lineup with Green at the C position. If both teams are using traditional lineups, I absolutely also believe that CP3, Harden, Butler, Melo, and Capela puts us in a better position to go against Curry, Klay, Durant, Green, Cousins lineup than what we have last year.
By deal yes, but by location no. Doubt Butler stays there long-term and the Bucks giving that much up for a 1 year rental not so sure they do that. Houston is in the running for the fact that they are wiling to give up Eric Gordon for a potential 1 yr rental not desired but it may be the outcome. Minnesota can still make the playoffs this year with EG. He is also from the Houston area and has wanted to play for the Rockets since he was a kid. That is the only reason why we have a shot against an LA for example.
If all that's true, our odds of getting this done go up drastically because Morey has more sheer stamina than any other GM in the league. He doesn't take **** personally. He's the Dywane Wade of GMS; if he gets turned down 19 times in a row, he'll pop back up with offer #20. It's never about HIM, it's always about finding a way to make this team better. No sleep yet, Daryl! You can sleep when Jimmy Buckets is a Rocket, and PJ Tucker is likewise a Rocket. Until then, keep making those calls!
It's amazing how every off season Morey gives us fans something to be excited about. The combination of Morey's personality, clutchfans' insiders/members, and the fact that our 2 best players are who they are makes for a special time for us fans.
If we trade for Butler and give up our 19, 21 picks, and don't move Knight then we are landlocked. If we re-sign Butler to a fresh 5-year max deal next summer then we have committed $135+ million in payroll per season for just 4 players, Harden, Paul, Butler, and Capela....plus we've still got Knight and the rest of the roster. That's a repeater luxury tax team with NO WAY to step out of the tax over 2 of the next 4 seasons.......which will be necessary in order to avoid the repeater tax. No team, not the Knicks, Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Cavs.....NO TEAM has ever paid the repeater luxury tax.....ever. In two more seasons Paul's contract will have negative trade value. Well have to include assets to dump him or take back more bad salary and prolong the agony. We are a fiscally responsible team. I don't care that Tillman wants to win championships. We all want to win championships. But neither him not any other owner is going to go broke trying to win them either. The repeater luxury tax is a very serious tax. The owners know it. They know the repeater luxury tax specifically sucks up any profits they might have and eats into their franchise value capital gains. But even the big Russian than bought the Nets and immediately jumped then into the luxury tax with bad trades was willing to pay the repeater tax when it came down to crunch time. He was out! So you can talk about Tillman wanting to win all you want. In the real world money matters. Which brings me to my next point. This Butler saga is all about money. $190 million of it. Butler wants his money. Everything else is secondary. He'll come here for $190 million and be third banana until he gets his money. They he could very early turn into a horses butt and force his way out of here ala former Bull, Scottie Pippen, and take the whole franchise down with him. The ONLY way we trade for Butler is with an escape hatch. We have to be able to get off him and still be able to build out the team. That's why I say we've got to retain our 2019 pick. If Butler walks we gotta be able to move Knights expiring deal with our pick for championship core pieces to add to Harden Paul and PJ. Because in that scenario Gordon is gone. And we aren't going to have cap space even with Gordon gone. Well be over $116 million in cap in just Harden, Paul, Capela, Knight, and Pj. So we have to have our 2019 pick to be able to make some moves going forward. If we trade 2019 and 2021 for Butler and we've still got Knight on the books...we're stuck. No cap space to sign anybody and no substantial trade assets without a pouch we can trade. That's not the way you play championship GM NBA basketball. Sorry. So any trade we make for Butler will either 1. Include a safety valve that allows up to make moves if he walks next summer Or 2. Be a temporary move as we are simply pushing Butler to a third team for pieces we want (Oubre, Winslow, someone else, plus other contracts, picks) Or 3. He'll have to agree to an opt-in or extension of his contract that's less than the 5-year max he could potentially sign for this summer. The idea that we're gonna pay 3 guys $110-120 million per season for the next 4 years after this second luxury tax season is ludicrous...unless the salary cap totally explodes higher by 20-50% above the current level.
