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Sources: Rockets have eyes on Jimmy B

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cyberx, Sep 18, 2018.

  1. Codman

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    Nice post.

    They want Randolph out ASAP (And, Randolph has always been a guy that cares most about winning, so Sac is a terrible match). As much as they support him publicly, they've been trying to clean up the Kings' image for a damn decade. Randolph's legal problems were/are a distraction, even if it's over.

    Ben keeps getting traded and ending back in Sac. His desire to "stay" somewhere else is known.
     
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  2. aelliott

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    No, he doesn't have a no trade clause but he does have to give approval for a trade this year.

    In addition to no trade clauses, there is two additional cases where a player cant be traded without their approval for a period of 1 year.

    Here's the two cases. The first one applies to Green.

    • When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3. The player's consent is also required for any subsequent trades that season.
    • For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.
     
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  3. Tom Bombadillo

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    Steve had 6 straight years of 20-7-6 43% and 34%, and then the Magic traded Cat for F'ing DOUG CHRISTIE... That was truly the death of SF3. :(

    Still, Steve over Kemba... :D
     
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  4. j@amc

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    Yes, to get Sacramento to add WCS to a trade, Houston would likely have to send an additional asset Sac's way (someone like Knight, but that makes the moves even more complicated since he can't be aggregated to a trade).

    So there are two separate moves in the complicated trade

    Knight + Dieng + picks? to Sacramento
    Houston assets + Sacramento players (WCS + others?)to Minnesota
    Butler and Tyus Jones to Houston

    This can be done in the trade machine, but it gets ridiculous

    If Minnesota drops the DIeng demand, things are much simpler.
     
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  5. macan

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    we got jimmy yet?
     
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    My bad could u educate me. How can a player get that. Does he have to be eligible or something
     
  7. topfive

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    Not really accurate, although it seems like it should be. In reality, there's no *significant* difference between the two except that Butler is better in the playoffs than EG. Gordon is a better 3-pt shot, but he's not one of those .over-400 guys and Butler is pretty good. And I'd guess that EG's range is better, but Jimmy's probably never had the green light to let them fly from 30 feet, so who knows?

    CAREER

    Butler
    FG% .452
    3PT% .339
    2PT% .485
    EFG% .490
    FT% .832

    Gordon
    FG% .430
    3PT% .376
    2PT% .430
    EFG% .514
    FT% .816


    PLAYOFFS

    Butler
    FG% .432
    3PT% .373
    2PT% .457
    EFG% .488
    FT% .814

    Gordon
    FG% .402
    3PT% .358
    2PT% .462
    EFG% .505
    FT% .811
     
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  8. Codman

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    Or...was it JVG's inability to compromise? I wonder what Stevie and Yao could have done together with more time/help. It certainly couldn't have been worse than TMac not delivering us into the 2nd round.

    Ron Artest is one of Morey's most underrated moves. Even for just a year, RonRon brough excitement, toughness and dependability to Houston. Ron was the leader we needed to complement Yao.

    The bigger win though: Houston finally ended the first round exit streak...with Tmac in the locker room. Artest celebrated the shine of guys like ABrooks and took the chopper to Kobe in front of the entire LA crowd.

    I miss that guy.
     
  9. heypartner

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    Tilman isn't going to keep secrets from Morey, and he isn't going to force Morey to make a trade.

    If Tilman tells Morey he is not all-in wrt resigning Butler, then Morey will re-evaluate the trade based upon the likelihood it would just be a 1-yr rental. Plus, Morey has told us, big trades like this, he will seek out concensus from MDA and Harden, too.

    I think it's perfectly fine making the point Tilman will tell Morey he won't go all-in resigning Butler, due to tax. But if he does, it's very doubtful they pull the trigger...especially since Cousins could make GSW unbeatable, that's a much bigger risk profile. If Tilman says no to Max, then Morey/MDA/Harden don't do it.
     
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    If Minnesota drops the Dieng demand we have no trade. That leverage situation is the only thing that kept us in this and made it difficult for other teams. Poison pill, we were ready to take it while others flinched. Never thought we had a chance.
     
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    The volume and types of shots means a lot here. Gordon is a much better shooter
     
  12. topfive

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    Being a presumed "much better shooter" only matters when it comes to keeping a defense honest, though, right? I mean, actually making the shots is what puts points on the scoreboard, and Butler's shot-making %s are not significantly different from EG's in any category.

    I'm not saying EG isn't a great shooter, I'm saying that he's not as great as some around here make him out to be (he's only shot over .400 from 3 once in 10 years, and that's the line between great shooters and elite ones), and that Butler is a lot better than many think.
     
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  13. Tom Bombadillo

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    If Eric Gordon took 3 three pointers a game he would be shooting them at absurd percentages.

    Being a good/great shooter is much more complex than your simpleton's breakdown.
     
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    i'd guess that gordon also likely takes a much higher percentage of his 3's from further behind the arc, helping to spread the floor for beard/cp3
     
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    Really?

    Last Season:

    Open 3 pointers (nearest defender 4-6 feet): Butler 36.2% Gordon 26.2%

    Wide Open 3 pointers (nearest defender more than 6 feet): Butler 40.8% Gordon 43.3%

    Right Corner 3s: Butler 47.6% Gordon: 41.2%

    Left Corner 3s: Butler 40% Gordon: 50%

    That's not close?

    If you're Draymond Green, do you leave a guy that shoots open 3s that well unguarded?
     
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  16. topfive

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    Thanks for the lesson, professor. You shouldn't keep your more complex breakdown to yourself (unless it's on one of Holic's spreadsheets).

    Listen, I know if you ask 10 NBA experts who is the better shooter, 10 will likely say EG. I won't refute that he's the better of the two. I'm just saying that the difference is not "significant" (your word) and that stats back that up. And the bit about "if EG took 3 three pointers a game he'd hit them at absured percentages" tells me you have no clue how percentages even work.
     
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  17. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Did you not see how wildly inconsistent Ego was during the playoffs, hell... for much of the season? He was as equally apt to shoot us out of games as he was shooting us to victory. Butler has just a good a shooter during the playoffs (if anything, more consistent) and much better finisher, WITHOUT two HOF guards constantly creating for him.

    We absolutely want Donkey pinned in the paint on Capela. This keeps him from free roaming around, which is what really makes him dangerous. Preventing high post pass outs is a team effort and Butler is also a really good passing lane defender.
     
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  18. Tom Bombadillo

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    EG literally shoots x3 as many threes as Jimmy.

    Jimmy lines them up slow like catapult Magic Johnson, Eric Gordon fires from every distance at every angle like a mad man. He keeps Mike D'Antoni's offense flowing like it should, and he is one guy we can count on that will bring elite confidence (I guess Gerald Green qualifies too, haha). His three balls inspire fear, and when they start dropping it's just scary.
     
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  19. Tom Bombadillo

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    This is miraculously wrong.

    The reason we had PJ Tucker in at the 5 when it was winning time is because it drags Draymond to the corner.

    Under the rim he can cause all kinds of havoc. Jesus Christ man...
     
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  20. HP3

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    Yea you guys dont realize that if one dude is taking 3 times as much 3s and the best you get is better but not "significantly better" then we have a problem.
     
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