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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. ipaman

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    we didn't know but were hoping for chaos. at least i was and i've been pleasantly surprised.
     
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  4. No Worries

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    A Maryland DA bringing sexual assault charges against a sitting USSC Justice ... without a doubt ... would Make America Great Again.
     
  5. Nook

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    There isn't one.......

    The Constitution does not provide for what the standard is or is not.

    The closest that the Constitution gets to a standard is "good behaviour".

    It all comes down to credibility.... it isn't like a criminal case where there are defined and codified standards.
     
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    I know some folks don't like PowerLine, but there's this:

    "Final irony: When Neil Gorsuch was appointed, some cooler heads among the Democrats said they ought not to filibuster Gorsuch and prompt McConnell to finish what Harry Reid started, but instead save their filibuster for the next nominee to replace Kennedy. But they couldn’t help themselves. If the filibuster for the Supreme Court was still in place now, I doubt Republicans would be willing to go to the 'nuclear option' in this circumstance. That would be one step too far. So once again, hats off to Harry Reid, and to Democratic intransigence."​

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/09/no-they-have-no-decency-confirmed.php
     
  7. No Worries

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    McConnell uses the nuclear option when McConnell needs to use the nuclear option. Not a question of if, but when.
     
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  8. Nook

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    Also, I don't think he would do it........... but there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents Trump from appointing someone to the Supreme Court during a recess. The person appointed would have to be voted on, etc after the recess is over I believe.

    Other than political outrage (potentially) there would be nothing illegal with Trump doing so.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Hmm.... it wouldn't be that the man that was elected President is divisive?
     
  10. Redfish81

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    The whole thing is gross. Both parties are bad for America. It is just further proof that one of the most important changes in this country needs to be term limits on members of the house and senate. MAYBE if they weren't always concerned about being re-elected they would make decisions based on what is right for this country in the long term.
     
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    That's my understanding too, and it makes sense. The issue is that the current political environment has basically made it impossible to determine if someone like Blasey Ford is bringing forth a credible accusation or is the product of Democrats trying to smear the opposition. I mean, just look at how Feinstein has handled this plus all of the Michael Avenatti garbage. None of us have any idea if Kavanaugh did it or not. In his defense, there's not much that ties him to the alleged crime, and in my opinion, there isn't really anything for the FBI to investigate. That leaves us at a stalemate, and you can rightfully pick either side. I don't feel good about that, either. I hate that Blasey Ford was sexually assaulted. I believe her. I also believe that we can't confirm or deny who the culprit is. And that's why I think the narrative that the GOP doesn't care about Ford because of the absent and conflicting details in her story is a false one.
     
  12. NewRoxFan

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    LOL... if they would have saved the filibuster for kavanaugh, republicans would not have gone to the "nuclear option".

    [​IMG]
     
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    What a stupid idea. Talk about not taking responsibility. The author is saying that it was someone else that Made Mitch McConnel abolish the filibuster. It was in no way Mitch McConnel's responsibility for taking the action himself. It is only the responsibility of the Democrats who FORCED and MADE hi do it.

    What a weasel.
     
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    It is extremely unlikely that Ford is some democrat operative. Years before he was picked by Trump, Ford already said that she was an assault victim and one of the parties was a judge. Further, she passed a polygraph test, grew up around and knew Kavanaugh. She really thinks he attempted to rape her. That does not mean he did, and she will likely never be able to conclusively prove he did. It was a long time ago. I find it very hard to believe she is doing this for political reasons.

    As for Feinstein, she should be investigated and pay the price. Too often politicians get away doing things that are unethical. There is no doubt that the Democrats are more than a little happy to politically benefit from Ford and the other accusers. Further the Democrats politically benefit potentially if a nominee isn't chosen quick enough. There is a chance (I don't think it happens) that the Democrats get a majority in the Senate. Ford did not benefit from having Feinstein handle it the way she did.

    If there isn't a nominee yet, and they do get the majority in the senate, they will likely stone wall an appointment until the next Presidential election. The Republicans cannot really complain, as they took the unheard of step of stonewalling Garland for a full year. A precedence and been set now, and it is not good for the country.

    As for Avenatti, I don't care that he is a scumbag. At the end of the day it is about his client and what she has to say. She should have testified in front of the Senate, but the Republicans wouldn't allow it....... because it is not in their political best interest to drag this out. Further, the Republicans likely knew of the second and third allegations and wanted a vote before they were public. They did it for political reasons....... and it is immoral.

    We are talking about appointing someone for life to the highest court. All of this should be investigated and a vote should then be held. Frankly, unless something new is learned, I think those like Flake and Collins would vote to approve after a review.

    Another option, and one in hindsight he should have used, was to withdraw the nomination of Kavanaugh and nominate Joan Larsen. Let the Democrats squirm on that one.
     
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    You really believe the American people are riveted by Yearbook jokes as some sort of evidence?
     
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    "Kavanaugh was a boy scout who would never demean women".

    Explicit clear as day evidence of him slut shaming a girl who in fact at first supported Kavanaugh and had to retract her support when she saw Kavanaugh's "Renate Alumnius" signature on his yearbook.

    We were all high school kids once. I know I never once had the desire to be so shitty to another female student. I hope you didn't either.

    Don't know many people who were this shitty as seniors in high school who bragged about slut shaming who became model citizens in terms of treating women with respect and dignity.
     
  18. Ottomaton

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    Trump wasn't happy to just loose his bowels all over the dignity of the presidency, he's now preparing to wipe his butt with the probity of the supreme court.

    Greatest president ever! I mean, what other president has managed to sully two different branches of government in the same term!
     
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    No way Mark Judge flips on a fellow bang brother.
     
  20. Nook

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    No, I think when you are talking about credibility and someone being on the Supreme Court of the USA that people expect honesty and integrity from the nominee. Further, people have to ask why he is lying about such things. Is he hiding something? Is he not trustworthy? Why did he lie about the drinking age when he turned 18? Why did he lie about watching Ford's testimony? Why did he lie about his drinking in high school? Why did he lie about his involvement in 2003 with the memo?

    Why did he support the admissibility of polygraphs in federal courts in the past..... but now refuses to take one?

    It is insulting. Just be honest about your dealings as a teenager and state you were not a sexual predator. Instead he got overly cute in his Fox interview, and was exposed as not entirely forthcoming and that hurts his credibility, and this whole thing is all about credibility and for whatever reason he decided to unnecessarily erode his.... which is surprising.
     

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