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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    BK sounded rather mentally unstable and highly partisan today. The whole "justices are above politics" veil came off. Of course being accused of sexual assault is an exceptionally stressful set of circumstances, but if you are going to be a Supreme Court Justice, you need to rise above even vicious attacks.
     
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    He'll have the rest of his life to work on it.
     
  3. jcf

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    That is an incredibly fair question, and I hope smarter people than me have an answer because I don't. I felt like I was watching a sports event or a movie because I was having strong emotions while knowing I was being played. This is repetitive but it seems like we are all picking teams. I haven't picked a team yet but I watched myself being very vulnerable to manipulation. Despite thinking I am fairly intelligent (debatable), I found myself responding emotionally first to Ford and then to Kavanaugh. And the entire time, a sane part of me knew that the committee wasn't searching for the truth.

    Instead, it was all about pressure on the swing votes. Would women abandon them if they voted "yes"? Would their Republican base abandon them if they voted "no". We were all watching riveting Kibuki theater.

    I watched commentators from CBS, ABC, MSN and Fox. Apart from CBS, it appeared that I watching paid for political ads.
     
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  4. jcf

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    I hear you but given the four attacks, I think he would have looked ridiculous if he didn't show some outrage. i do think he went overboard with interrupting the Senators and avoiding the questions. But personal perception: it worked a heck of lot better for him than being deferential. Plus, whether right or wrong, his attack position placated Trump and increased the chances that Trump sticks with him.
     
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  5. Space Ghost

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    Politics is not a zero sum game. Stooping to Trumps levels and/or tactics is a terrible idea on so many levels. This is Trumps strength and he is clobbering anyone who tries to play this game with him. Trump is not playing to win. He's playing to make sure everyone else loses. This Kavanaugh nonsense is the epitome of Trumpism. I will ask you this; Regardless of the outcome, who is the winner? If Kavanough wins, he still loses. Ford loses. Democrats lose. Republicans lose. If Kavanaugh loses, there is still no investigation. Ford still loses. Democrats win up until an even more extreme justice is appointed. A little under half of the population is unsure how to respond to this **** show. And those who are idiotic enough to voice their opinion on who to believe and not to believe fall heavily on party lines.

    Democrats need to pull their head out of their ass and see the big picture. The Republican party has turned into nothing more than a party who is resisting anything that comes out of the Democrat party. They stand for nothing. Its the Democrats who have the candidates who act like adults. Unfortunately the Democrats also are over ran by progressives who thinks they need to stop some fantasy Trump dynasty and Republican oppression. What the Democrats need to do is stop trying to defeat Trump and just put up moderate people who represent America, not just protected classes.

    The Kavanaugh drama has massively rallied the conservatives. Feinsteins foolishness has seriously hurt her party. Regardless of peoples thoughts and opinions between Kavanaugh and Ford, there is a strong disgust on how Feinstein has handled this. All mainstream America sees is a convoluted **** show that could have been avoided if Feinstein handled this ethically.
     
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  6. Commodore

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    Dems don't realize how petty and r****ded they look asking someone about their high school yearbook
     
  7. foh

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    Maybe. They certainly needed to avoid attacking Ford to not provide a rallying point for Liberal base. The anger on the part of Kavanaugh was probably premeditated too. I think Graham was getting riled up all morning though. And once he went off, Kavanaugh felt the tide turning and settled down a bit and at the end that's all it took - Graham's call to arms and Kavanaugh's appearance of aggressive composure. Maybe Graham is a really good actor but his emotion & apparent sincerity played a huge role probably (although highly hypocritical). The end rally is most important when it comes to leaving the lasting impression - the whole reason repubs wanted to go last. Dems should've at least exposed the hypocrisy of the "unfairness" accusations but they felt disjointed and unprepared to do so.

    Ford was believable and hopefully inspires others to come forward. She had no reason to lie and said it was 100% him. Dems lost an opportunity to rally around that.

    I think it's a tie as far as the midterm polls go (unless more corroboration appears in which case it's pretty bad for republicans).
     
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    They’ve just realized they aren’t above the mud slinging anymore. What difference does it make? Being the “they go low we go high” party hasn’t worked out horribly well for them recently.

    Again, seeing Republicans seethe over perceived moral high ground is high hilarity.
     
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  9. Ottomaton

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    I think this is actually the Republican Party's genius.

    Nobody gets worked up and emotional over supply side economics. I would be willing to bet most people who identify with either party would have difficult even explaining it.

    Everybody went to high school and cheered for Hometown High against Crosstown Prep. High school or pro team affiliation is the most arbitrary thing ever - it is an accident of geography, but once people latch on "their" team, they become convinced that their team is the best and all the others are stupid. They deeply and viscerally identify with something that is about as relevant as who is wearing a white shirt and who is wearing blue. But that kind of desire for categorization and segregation is deep in the human psyche.

    The Republicans have made politics into something that can engage the dimmest bulb. Politics is complicated and confusing, so they just took all the political stuff out of politics, and turned it into rooting for sports teams. Whomever it was saved the Republican brand when they did it. They should be admired for their understanding of human nature and marketing, at the very least.
     
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  10. jcf

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    Ok. Great question. I was wondering why nobody took his outrage over the personal attacks and compared it to his emails urging a highly intrusive line of questioning for Clinton. I assume he would have said that there is a difference between an allegation and proven perjury, but it did have a whiff of hypocrisy and a lack of concern for "family".
     
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    This is true of so many biases.
     
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    So maybe democrats should just disband? Then there is no one to fight? Can we do that? Please?
     
  13. Ottomaton

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    As much as Red Sox fans hate the Yankees, without the Yankees they aren't who they are today. Red Sox fans need the Yankees. Their shared loathing is what keeps them united.
     
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  14. foh

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    I'm basically saying the two party system is too convoluted in terms of trying to figure out what each party stands for. Divide them up more. Have the tea party, the evangelicans, the gun people, the compassion party, the corporate party, the green peace, etc.
    For the lack of better terms, make it harder for dumb people to fight over politics as much as they do now.

    Couldn't one party start this process somehow? lol
     
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    Better still, get rid of parties entirely.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    This POS Kavanaugh who pioneered going after Bill Clinton on idiotic sex charges is now literally crying over his juvenile exploits. Sounds like he can't handle his own medicine.

    I laugh at him. Republicans have no moral fiber and will try to put a sex offender on the SCOTUS. They are a joke party with joke followers. Anyone supporting this idiot to the SCOTUS is an idiot and not worthy of respect.

    We live in two America's. I now fully detest the right. They are my enemy and not my countrymen. They are traitors.
     
  17. jcf

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    You mentioned that in an earlier post a day or so ago. I was intrigued, but it seems so locked into our system that I don't see it happening in my lifetime.

    But, who knows?
     
  18. jcf

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    Is this you or Poe's law? I'm so confused.
     
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    It's me. Not poe's law. I only mock conservatives. I use to think it was important to at least try to understand the other side. But the disgusting and hypocritical nature of what I am seeing so disgusts me, that I can't any longer. I have given up on that 40% that supports Trump.

    Let them rot in hell where they deserve to be.
     
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    Angry diatribe aside - the fact that Kavanaugh is attacking Democrats shows he is partisan and unfit to be a SCOTUS judge.
     
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